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10 Games in: Who are the Philadelphia 76ers?

by Dannie

Our Philadelphia 76ers have played 10 games in the 2008-2009 season.  Their record: 5-5.  Disappointing?  Expected?  Good?  Considering their schedule I personally think they should be 7-3.  So for me they have been disappointing.  Here is the recent history of Sixers teams through 10 games.

  • 2008: 3-7Old Sixers Logo
  • 2007: 4-6
  • 2006: 6-4
  • 2005: 4-6
  • 2004: 5-5
  • 2003: 7-3
  • 2002: 5-5
  • 2001: 10-0
  • 2000: 4-6

I said before and during the first few games that I am giving this team a 10-game grace period to show me something.  Show me whether they can mesh.  Show me whether they can play the same style that was successful at the end of last season with new personnel or play a new style that is as effective or more effective.  Show me you will be worth $80 million over 5 and 6 years. Show me you are capable of coaching better talent, coaching with higher expectations and coaching a winner.

Was giving them only 10 games fair?  Probably not.  Many people said 15 or 20 games.  And at the 20-game mark I will re-evaluate and do another one of these posts.  But what I needed to see was signs this group of players we have invested a large portion of our cap in are the right crew.

So let’s just take a quick look at a few things with this team through 10 games.

Coaching

One of my biggest question marks coming into the season was whether or not Mo is the right coach.  Prior to the playoffs, I would have been all for Cheeks taking this team forward.  But after watching him in the Detroit series, doubts began to creep in my mind.

Maurice “to cool for comfort” Cheeks

Mo is a players’ coach because he doesn’t publicly bash players.  He can relate to players, having been one (a pretty damn fine one) himself.  Players always speak favorably of him.  And he is typically always calm and cool.  But is that coaching style right for THIS team?  After 10 games I still don’t know.  Early on it certainly didn’t look like it.  The team didn’t mesh well.  The offense was stagnant and looked as though it lacked practice.  The defensive energy that was a staple last season was nonexistent.  And it looked like none of the players (except Thad) knew their role.

With those types of issues I always point the finger at the coach first.  I understand implementing change takes time, but what is training camp and the preseason for?  Just because it’s the early part of the season doesn’t mean those games should be discounted or treated as “more practice.”  That is why I don’t really agree with people suggesting we should give them 20 games.  It just doesn’t make sense to me.

But starting in the Toronto game, I saw a positive change that can also be attributed to Mo and the coaching staff.  They started to move Brand around, not only relying on him to score on the block.  They put him in better situations to take shots that played to his strength.  And they put him in a position to see the double-teams coming, which resulted in him turning the ball over less.

I really just need to see two things from Cheeks:

  1. Keep the team motivated and playing hard every game, especially on the defensive end.
  2. Become a better game manager by appropriately adjusting to the game plan of your opponent.

Quick Look at the Roster

I am not going to cover guys like Kareem Rush, Donyell Marshall, Royal Ivey or Theo Ratliff because they have barely played.  But I do want to take a quick look at who we have on this roster and how they’ve looked so far.

Andre “Someone buy me a jumper – PLEASE” Iguodala

Can’t be happy with the play of “$80mil.”  He got paid like a top second-tier player and right now he looks like a  terrible offensive-role-player/glue guy.  He is rebounding the ball well.  He is averaging 5 assists per game and 1 steal per game.  Those numbers are nice.  But this guy’s jumper is broke.  He is shooting worse than we have ever seen him shoot.  This after all the talk of jump shooting being his major focus in the off-season.

The problem: when you already can’t shoot, taking 500 jumpers a day shooting the same way you have been only builds muscle recognition for shooting poorly.  He needed to be with a shooting coach daily like Thad and Lou were at Mark Price’s camp.  You can work as hard as you want, but if you are practicing the wrong way, the results will not only be the same, they can become worse.

I don’t think Iguodala will ever be a good shooter, but he can still be a good offensive player if he would tighten up his shot selection and continue to drive to the basket looking to score, get fouled and look to be a facilitator.

I said this in a comment, but I think his big contract skews our view of his ability.  If he was a a $6M a year player with a clearly defined role as a do-it-all glue guy I think we all would be happy with his play.  But big money means big expectations.  And he is the one that held out for the big money.  Now he needs to start earning his wage.  I almost think Raja Bell would be a better fit on this team.  John Salmons, anyone?  Haha.

Thaddeus “I’m a star now, not in-the-making” Young

Thaddeus YoungYou can tell this guy had the right people around him and the right work ethic this summer.  He came back with a much-improved three-point shot, a nice jab step and a nice pump fake, one-two dribble mid-range jumper.  That is great development for Thaddeus Young in one summer.

He always brought the intangibles in terms of hustle and energy.  He was always a good defender physically.  This year he is a better defender mentally.  You can tell he is learning the game on both ends at a high rate.  His handle is still suspect, but he is such a smart player that he minimizes it by focusing on his strengths.

He has an outside chance to be an East All-Star reserve because I gotta imagine coaches around the league love his game.

Elton “I’m not who you thought I was” Brand

Elton Brand is not Tim Duncan.  Elton Brand is not KG.  Elton Brand is not Amare Stoudamire.  Elton Brand does not have great leaping ability.  Elton Brand is not a dominant low-post scorer.  Elton Brand is not and has not been an extremely high-percentage shooter from the field (just 50.4% for his career).

Elton Brand is coming back from missing a year of basketball, and that can not be understated.  Elton Brand is an undersized power forward.  Elton Brand is a good 15-17 foot jump shooter.  Elton Brand is a very good all-around defender.  Elton Brand is a very strong rebounder.  Elton Brand is a good teammate and potential leader on this team.  Elton Brand, although not great, can score in the post.  Elton Brand can run the floor and finish.  Elton Brand is and has been a VERY GOOD all-around player in this league.

I hope to a degree that clears up some misconceptions.  Look, I think Brand will be better later on in the season.  If you never had a season-end injury, ask someone who has.  I know a ton of people who had the bad fortune of getting injured and missing a season.  So it’s hard to understand how long it takes not to get healthy but to regain your feel for the game and game endurance and body.  This is really impacting his offensive game much more than his play on defense.  This guy has been the model of consistency throughout his career so I give him a little more slack than Iguodala regarding the poor individual offense performance.

Andre “I look like Richard Pryor” Miller

Andre Miller looks like Richard Pryor

What the hell happened to his mid-range jumper?  I didn’t expect him to shoot 49% again, but 42.8% certainly wasn’t expected either.  Miller shot 45.28% through 10 games last year so are we witnessing a bigger decline than we thought would happen?  I hope not because with Brand on the team he will continue to get those 17-foot shots. I don’t really blame him for shooting so much because he rarely is forcing those shots up.  He is usually wide open taking a shot we have all seem him make.  He has just been off.

And the more I look at his game and how it compliments (or not) the other players who are under contract for a while I think Stefanski should trade him at the trade deadline.  I say that not because I don’t like Miller but because I don’t want to resign him because I think he falls off HARD next season.  And I don’t think there is a high % chance he would even resign with the Sixers this summer anyway.  With that in mind I want to get as much value for him as we can get.  If he just comes off the books, the Sixers will be out a starting point guard and have no cap to go out and get one.

Honestly I just want the Sixers to win as many games as possible before the All-Star break, Andre Miller to show very well and Stefanski to move him.  It’s not like we would be moving a championship piece.

Samuel “If I only had a brain” Dalembert

Sammy has been inconsistent.  But when he’s played well he has been fantastic.  The problem: Sam’s just not all that smart of a basketball player.  So his inconsistency has much to do with his inability to recognize different game styles and adjust his play to be as effective as possible.  He has all the athletic and defensive ability to be a very good and consistent NBA center.  He just doesn’t always apply it well.

For the most part I really can’t complain about Sam.  He is giving the team 10 boards, a block and a half and 7 point per game on 49% shooting.  I just need him to shoot free throws better.

Louis “I’m a scorer; I want to be Allen Iverson” Williams

Lou has pissed me off beyond belief.  He has no clue what it means to be a facilitator.  He is taking 10 shots per game and 19 shots per 36 minutes.  That is crazy!  What the hell are the coaches saying to this kid?  All he seems to say in the media is “I’m a scorer.”  UMM NO. To be a scorer you actually have to put the ball in the hole at a decent rate.  35.7% from the field, 26.1% from three and 68% from the line isn’t a scorer.  It’s a wannabe-Allen Iverson with not even half the ability.

Louis Williams tries to defend Allen Iverson

It boggles my mind that this isn’t being addressed.  What?  Are we just going to wait it out?  Let him shoot the team out of games?  Cheeks needs to put the reins on this dude quick before he gets further out of control.  Because clearly he thinks it’s OK to dribble around for 15 seconds, not pass to anyone then shoot an off-balanced jumper with a hand in his face.

Let me ask you guys this: If Andre Miller got hurt, what would you do? Who would you start at the point?

Willie “How you like me now?” Green

Been extremely happy with Willie’s play.  Sure, he is shooting the ball great.  But his defense has been much better.  His intensity off the bench has been infusing the team.  And, guys, he is averaging only 0.7 turnovers per game in 20 MPG. That is phenomenal. The role everyone thought Lou was supposed to play has been assumed by Willie Green.

Can he keep this up?  Maybe not 48.5% from the field and 52.6% from three.  But I believe his energy will be there, he seems to be playing within himself which is why his turnovers are nonexistent.  And there is no reason to believe he won’t keep busting it on defense.

If you asked me right now who I would start if Andre Miller got hurt, Willie Green would be my answer.  I would have Iguodala play some point forward just to get Willie off the ball for scoring opportunities, especially when he was hot.

Marreese “Did you really think I was lazy?” Speights

How many people actually thought Marreese Speights would be the back-up center this early in the season?  He goes from being on the inactive list to playing 12 productive minutes a game.  He potential is immeasurable.  He already is doing a great job on the boards, averaging 11.4 per 36 minutes.  He is extremely active on the offensive glass. He has a great touch from 15-17 feet.  We really haven’t seen what he is capable of in the post, but he likes to bang and has a soft touch.  That is a great combination.

It’s very easy to see a Thaddeus Young-type progression over the course of the season with Speights.  He is a big reason Dalembert is only playing 27 minutes per game.  And you know what?  That could be a tremendous benefit for Sam and the Sixers late in games.  When Dalembert is fresh, not in foul trouble and motivated, he has proven he can defend just about any big man in this league.  If I was Mo I would keep Dalembert’s minutes down, not only because he is still bothered by his knee but because having a fresh Dalembert on defense at the end of close games is great asset.

Reggie “I don’t know I’m not a guard” Evans

We all knew with the addition of Brand that Reggie’s minutes would be decreased. But with Speights playing so well, also Reggie has become the odd man out from last year’s core.  He is only playing 11.7 mpg, by far the lowest in his entire career.

So now Mo needs to find more minutes for Evans.  He is the emotion of this team.  He gives everything he has when he is out there and guess what, he probably isn’t going to complain about not playing as much either.  He is a great teammate, one that should be on the court more, especially when the starters play like they just woke up in the morning.

Can The Sixers Live Up to the High Expectations?

50 wins was the high water mark for this team.  They certainly don’t look that good right now.  But it’s only 10 games.  They can very easily go on a monster run like the Portland Trailblazers did last season.  Portland started 5-12 before going on a 13-game winning streak.  The Sixers certainly have the talent to go on a serious run.  But they have to play the right way, play to their strengths and most importantly play hard from beginning to end of games to get it done.

Let me finish this post with this question:  Say the Sixers go 45-37.  A 5-game improvement and good for 4th or 5th in the Eastern Conference, would you consider that regular season a success?  Would that regular season have met your expectations for this team?  Is 45 wins good enough, considering the Sixers have over $40 million wrapped up between Brand, Iguodala, Dalembert and Williams this season and escalating over the next 3 seasons?

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1 Rob 11.18.08 at 11:48 pm

Don’t forget the Houston Rockets when it comes to monster runs, 22 wins in a row! LOL I’m kidding, the Sixers will get on a great run.  Philadelphia will most likely be a 4th or 5th seed, because the upper echelon in the East has the Celtics, Cavaliers, Magic, and the Pistons (jury is still out on that one now that Iverson is in Detroit).  

Every analyst is saying 20-25 games is the true barometer for a team, especially those with so many new players on the roster.  Right now, the Eastern Conference is filled with so many teams tied at 5-5, so it is hard to properly determine where teams will go based on a 10 game model.  

I do agree though that Lou looks lost out there.  He needs to follow the order of scoring (instead of operations) in this order:  Layups, dunks, free throws, mid-range shots, then three pointers.  Of course, everything starts on defense which becomes offense.  Lou has to be smart out there because teams are going to kill us when Andre Miller is resting for an extensive period!    

GO SIXERS!!

 

2 deepsixersuede 11.18.08 at 11:59 pm

Dannie, good job; You read my mind on Willie, I was contemplating if A.Miller got moved , who steps in. L.Will. has regressed big time and could Willie by years end handle the point.Iggy!s line [12ppg., 6 reb., 5 ass.] would be fine to me with 47 % fg. and less turnovers. Thad!s stroke from the wing is allowing the Iggy to 2 guard experiment time to gel. Can we meet our maximum potential team wise with Iggy at the 2, not sure yet.Elton is what he is, which is a guy we can win with. I just had too high an expectation level I guess. Sam seems to loose some energy when he isn!t getting the ball much, but it is better than him turning the ball over. A.Miller is the epitome of class but he just doesn!t fit here. To me we don!t get great defensively till we get ball pressure  up top.See R.Rondo!s affect for Boston. Ivey works defensively but can!t shoot it well enough, while L.Will. with his head on straight could be the answer.Dannie I wonder what was said to him or is he reading his own contract or headlines. Lastly, I hope Mo can get us there but if not would offer Thibeadeax a head coaching opportunity.

3 Ryan F 11.19.08 at 12:13 am

The only way I would be happy with 45-37 was if it was the result of a late season surge. If they were to be as inconsistent as they’ve been so far and make it to the break a few games under .500, then finally start to mesh and hit their stride as the season progressed,  there would be positives things going into next season. If they just flounder all year long and only win 5 more games I think it would be a bust.

I normally don’t hold very high expectations for this team, I am a die hard fan but I am normally pleased as long as they are playing the best ball they can. Now it’s a different story. Our cap is pretty much maxed so this is going to be the Sixers for a while to come, and I would like to see more than .500 records and 1st Rnd exits. 

Hopefully they get it together and beat some tough opponents and all of our worries will be in the rear view.

4 BoomDizzle 11.19.08 at 1:28 am

I can’t really make a guess as to what I expect the win total to be, but I do see the seedings in the Eastern Conference as being tiered:

Top Tier:
Boston Celtics
Cleveland Cavaliers
Detroit Pistons

Next Tier:
Philadelphia 76ers
Orlando Magic
Toronto Raptors

At this point, I would say the Magic are at the top of that next tier, but I think with appropriate development we could be in the appropriate position to be a better team than the Magic or Raptors.

Anyway, that is how I see the season ending.  Good job breaking down the Sixers so far.

5 TT32 11.19.08 at 8:10 am

I really don’t think Andre Miller wants to be here. In the summer he said he’s a west coast guy, and I think he’s playing his way out of town. Lou is totally out of control, and you’re right Mo needs to pull him in and quick, either way Miller is out next year and Lou is not the air apparent, so we’ll need a point guard. Willie as a starter at the point um, I don’t know about that one either. It’s early so we’ll have to wait and see.

6 deepsixersuede 11.19.08 at 8:38 am

Dannie, the good news, according to DRAFTEXPRESS is 7 of the top 16 picks are p.g.!s but the bad news is a] can we afford to develop a young one; b] the market for A.Miller as any more than an expiring contract is very slim.He may be our best option.

7 sfw 11.19.08 at 9:21 am

Don’t see Iggy at point forward as a starter. Like this role for him in spots. Let’s keep Willie where he is and hope he continues to be successful. I think Lou Will has this ‘BEST’ 3 pt shooter on sixers in his head. Has to go back to scoring point guard mentality of last year. Dannie, all good points. Also, like to see Reggie get a few more minutes.   

8 Morty 11.19.08 at 9:41 am

Dannie, great summary. The biggest disappointment, for me, has been Lou’s play. He has totally regressed, which is such a bummer considering the progress he displayed towards the end of last season. The biggest surprise has, obviously, been Willie Green. He is attempting less shots, and turning over the ball less. Like Dannie said, he seems to be playing within himself more, something from which Igoudala could take a lesson. Sammy is Sammy, and I’ll buy Dannie’s reasoning for Brand’s poor FG %.

9 Rob 11.19.08 at 11:10 am

Here are the stats on Miller thus far:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=557

Career stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=557

His free throws have been up this season at 91.2%, someone to give the ball to in crunch time for “free” critical points. 

I think the jury is still out though for Miller.

Assists have dipped down due to the fact that Andre Iguodala also makes plays as well and the assist distributions have been divided among the Andres  (with Miller 5.6 ast (T-16th) & Iguodala 5.1 ast (21st)).  What I would prefer is that Miller be the overall floor general and for Iguodala to attack the rim more with some tomahawk jams.  But they want to distribute as a team (ala LA Lakers), even though we are missing a closer in Kobe and a coach in Phil Jackson.  But give this team a chance.  

Getting Brand is similar to when the Suns decided to get Shaq, except we signed Brand in the offseason and didn’t really have to trade a lot of major players to get him.  Both teams understand that a fastbreak game come playoff time does not help you win games, you need a half-court game as well.   
 

10 jjg 11.19.08 at 12:32 pm

Dannie  Interesting capsule on team at 10-game juncture.  I differ with your description of Brand as a “VERY GOOD all-around player’.  To me, that’s a continuation of hype, as in team commercial’s “amazing rebounds“.  (I’d remove the ‘VERY’ qualifier.)  You wrote observantly to what he is and what he is not.  We differ in opinion by a matter of degrees - my ‘B’ to your ‘A-’.  Better power forwards (8):  Stoudamire, Garnett, Duncan, Nowitski, Gasol, Bosh, Boozer, West.  On par with him (4): Smith, Jamison, Odom, Randolph.
Note:  You can’t claim an injury handicap when you accept full money and you, your agent and doctors (on both sides) give a clean bill of health.  It’s ‘put up or shut up’ time from the jump imo.           

11 Ricky - Sixers4guidos 11.19.08 at 12:34 pm

great article Dannie, I agree from A to Z.. well, to Y actually, because I like Andre Miller, but anyway, he is deserving some criticisms so far, he should do better.

I also like what you said about Lou Williams, I wrote similar things, he has to man up, focus more on defense and work on his shot selection, that has been very bad this year, and distributing the ball more.

Same for Evans, that I am a big fan of, we all know his limitations but we need more of him on the floor when the team starts sloppy, or lacks aggressiveness and intensity. He can turn some games around.

Love also that you put the old logo, and the new layout of the site, keep up the good work !

12 bski 11.19.08 at 12:43 pm

Great summary, Dannie.  OK since everyone in commenting about Lou Will, here is what Kate Fagan reported from her interview with him at yesterday’s practice:

“Here’s what Lou had to say today during practice:

“I’m in a shooting slump. I guess that’s what they call it. I’ve never been in one before. I think I got too caught up in my shot rather than creating things for my teammates … In seasons’ past, I opened things up for other people … I have to get back to that.”

Lou said he has spoken to the coaching staff this week about getting back on track.”

I’m glad to see that he recognizes this, but Fagan’s last statement puzzles me.  It makes it sound like Lou recognized this himself and he went to the coaching staff to talk about it, doesn’t it?  If so, does that mean that the coaching staff either didn’t see it (how could they not) or they did not approach him about it?  I would not be happy with the coaching staff in either case.  Whatever the case, I’m hopeful that we will see a change for the better in Lou.


13 bski 11.19.08 at 12:43 pm

Dave T.…I read your take on Karl’s comments.  Glad to see I’m not the only one who felt like that about them. 

The only way I’d be ok with what he said is if he had been telling Iverson all along while he was in Denver that he wanted him to run the offense and look to be more of a facilitator rather than a scorer and Iverson ignored him.  Then it would be a case of Karl calling Iverson’s attention to the fact that Billups is now running the offense the way I wanted you to, but you refused.  Other than that, it’s throwing a guy under the bus, as you said.

14 jjg 11.19.08 at 12:54 pm

Williams only thinks he’s never been in a shooting slump before.  He’s also in a ’seeing others’ slump.  Has always been a defensive liability. 

15 Dannie 11.19.08 at 1:01 pm

JJG – B+ overall for Elton Brand in my book with a season or two as an A-.  Of your list of 8 that are above Brand I would omit David West.  West is primarily a perimeter player like Brand and sometimes even more.  And I would have to factor in the Chris Paul impact as well.

He’s also in a ’seeing others’ slump.

Well stated!

16 Ryan F 11.19.08 at 1:15 pm

I think a lot of Williams woes aren’t just his fault. When he gets the ball I see a lot of people standing around, not cutting or setting screens. It seems like everyone expects him to just take a poor jumper or drive and lay the ball up. Even with that its ultimately his fault if he doesn’t get the ball moving and just jacks it up. Hopefully he and Iguodala start to figure it out. Someone just needs to tell them both to stop taking so many J’s.

Should be a good game tonight, it is a game we should definitely win even on the road. Lets see if another long break in games helped the coaching staff and the team figure out whats going on with the team.

17 Rob 11.19.08 at 1:19 pm

Did you guys know that we are 1st in  the league in fastbreak points with 18.5pts per game?    We must be doing something right with the Andres at the helm with the playmaking decisions.

Also, do not foul the Wolves often, because they are 3rd in the league in FT% with 80.5%.  They are also 4th in the league in assists, with 23.9 assists per game. 

18 Dannie 11.19.08 at 2:44 pm

Rob – where did you find an NBA ranking by fast break points?  I’ve been looking for a resource on that and points of turnovers forever.

I am surprised who much people talk about them and base their team strategy around them that they aren’t official NBA stats by now along with points in the paint.

19 Rob 11.19.08 at 2:50 pm

Sixers.com said it.

http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/0809_game_preview.html

For me, I have had to do solve this stuff through scrap work. 
Harvey Pollack is the Sixers stat and records man.  He has been around to witness Wilt’s 100 pt game.  

For anyone to be a successor to him would be quite an honor.

 

20 jjg 11.19.08 at 3:53 pm

‘01 Man Defense vs. ‘08 Man Defense:

McKie
 better than Young
Lynch
better than Evans 
Snow better than Miller
Ratliff/Mutumbo
better than Dalembert 
Hill better than Brand
Iverson worse Green 

The defensive end – where games are won and lost.  Until Sixers show a greater facility for requirements and a real overall commitment there, they’ll remain a second tier playoff team, 45-47 wins.  Mo talks defense up, but I don’t see his teams really digging in, completing tasks - some grueling, some heady - on a playoff winning basis.  Sixers ‘D’ is effective at times, but, essentially, they’re a spurt team, just like on offense.  

21 bski 11.19.08 at 4:06 pm

I’m sure most everyone has read this but, for what it’s worth, here’s what Stefanski thinks after 10 games:

“It’s early,” Stefanski said after yesterday’s practice at PCOM. “It wasn’t a surprise to me that we got off to a tough start. Now, we’re .500. We still have to do a better job taking care of the basketball. That’s the one spot that is scary for me. We have to take care of the ball.
“We’re getting better spacing on the floor offensively. We should be a very good defensive team and Mo’s [coach Maurice Cheeks] really emphasizing that, which I think is really important to us.”
“If we hang our hat on defense and really get after people, that will start our fastbreak,” Stefanski said. “Our fastbreak has been good. I think we’re No. 1 in the league in fastbreaks, again 10 games into it . . . Each game, we have to get better, but I think it’s going to take a while for us to jell.”

(I placed the emphasis on those two sentences for you, JJG, because of your comment about Mo talking up the D.  Now Stefanski is talking up the D as well.  Hopefully we will see it develop on the court.)

22 Morty 11.19.08 at 4:36 pm

I gotta tell ya, guys, I think the Sixers have actually been playing pretty good D so far. Among their better games, they have held ATL to 3 points below their average, Utah to 4 points below average, NY to 18 points below average and Indiana to 8 below average. Overall, they are 10th in the league in  opponents average per game. If you look at  ponts per 100 posessions, which compensates for teams that play at different paces, they are giving up 100 points per 100 possesions, which is 5th best in the league. Get more consistent on offense (I’m looking at you, Andre, Elton and Lou), more consistent on taking care of the ball and this team will have a good shot at the 50 wins we all want.

23 Morty 11.19.08 at 4:41 pm

bski: I read those Lou comments the same way you did. Yet another page for my book which has a working title of “Hey, I Just Work Here: The Mo Cheeks Story.”

24 bski 11.19.08 at 4:46 pm

Morty…OK.  I thought maybe it was just me.  Also, it certainly does seem like Stefanski does a lot of “suggesting” and “planting ideas” with Cheeks, doesn’t it?  I wonder what Stefanski could get done with a dry erase board and some tape for the floor.

25 Dannie 11.19.08 at 4:59 pm

They are also 7th in opponents field goal %, 5th in opponents 3pt %, 7th in blocks.  Basically what that means is there is clearly something to work with here.  As JJG says its more about consistency.

Once they get through the next 4 games of marginally slop teams they start playing some big dogs over the follow 9 and we will really get a barometer for this team.

26 bski 11.19.08 at 5:42 pm

Morty, Dannie…Where are you guys finding our league rankings in these categories?

27 Morty 11.19.08 at 5:53 pm

The basic stuff from ESPN, and the advanced stuff (points per possession) at basketball-reference.com

28 bski 11.19.08 at 6:36 pm

Thanks.  I just discovered that, on espn.com,  you can get each ranking by clicking on the category.

29 deepsixersuede 11.19.08 at 7:21 pm

Jumpin,  I think L.Brown was a defensive genious and had attention to detail, 2 things I!m not sure Mo picked up from him. A.Miller/Snow; Iggy/A.I.; Thad/Lynch; Elton/T.Hill; and Sam/Theo; individually I think they are close if not better but that team moved like 5 fingers in a glove, everybody knew where the other guy was, don!t see that with this team.

30 jjg 11.19.08 at 8:37 pm

Suede  Agree, Brown’s coaching was exceptional with that group.   Agree too, some of present players could be excellent defenders but they’re not.  It takes a particular mentality and an adopted mindset to take true pride in stopping the opponent regularly, both individually and in ‘5 fingers in glove’ synchronicity (a beautiful thing to watch!).  This group hasn’t decided whether to bring their lunchpail every night or to just rely on company catering.  The athleticism is surely in place; the heads aren’t.  Focus is on and off, with occasional visits to Lovetron.  Can Mo transform ‘em into a pack of intimidating, route-diverting junkyard dogs?  I highly doubt it.  

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