I’ve gone through a range of emotions in the short time since the Phillies signed Raul Ibanez, and I think I’ve finally decided how I feel about it.
At first, as evidenced by my original post, I was happy with the signing. I thought (and still think) that Ibanez is a slight upgrade offensively and much better than a potential Juan Rivera/Greg Dobbs platoon. However, after reading many articles on him, and doing a little more research into the numbers, I’m not sure this was the best move, strategy-wise, for the Phillies. Here’s why:
Why not sign Burrell to the same deal and save the draft pick?
My analysis yesterday showed that Ibanez was slightly better offensively than Burrell. In the interest of getting the post up, I hadn’t research his defense and baserunning. I assumed that he would be a big upgrade in these 2 areas, but it looks as though he won’t be. By many metrics, we replaced the worst outfielder in the league (Burrell) with the 2nd worst (Ibanez). And, Ibanez does not have the arm Burrell has. So, in terms of offensive production and defensive skill, we essentially have the same player we had before. This would be fine, if he wasn’t 5 years older than Burrell and cost us a first round pick to sign. All things being equal, I would have rather signed the younger, and right handed, Burrell to this deal and kept the pick.
Ibanez’s numbers against lefties last year might have been a mirage
I noted in the first post that Ibanez was actually better against lefties last season, which was true, but some of it might have been luck. There is a stat called BABIP, which stands for Batting Average on Balls in Play. This stat is used to identify lucky, or fluke seasons. If it is high, you are getting more hits than you probably should (bloop singles, half swings, etc…) and if it is low you are getting less hits than you should (line-drives right at OFs, diving catches, etc…). Last year, Ibanez had a high BABIP against left handed pitchers inferring that he benefited by some lucky hits. I wouldn’t expect him to hit as well as he did against them in 2009. I do think that having Utley, Howard and Ibanez in a row will be a problem, but that can easily be fixed by throwing Werth or Victorino in the 5-hole.
The third year of the contract might be a disaster
I was hoping that the contract would end up being a 2-year deal with a team option for a 3rd, but I’m guessing that isn’t the case. It looks like the structure of the deal is going to end up being a $2 mill bonus, $6.5 for the first year and $11.5 for the next two. I can’t imagine Ibanez being worth $11.5 million as he turns 39. And we know how much Philly fans love people not playing up to their contracts. I certainly hope I’m wrong on that one, but it’s a risk.
Why not spend the money on pitching?
This could obviously change, but I’m thinking that the Ibanez signing, coupled with the potential 2 year, $15 million deal for Moyer (being reported by Jon Heyman as getting close) might bring an end to the big moves for us. While I wasn’t a fan of the idea of putting a platoon in LF, I would have been OK with it if we had brought in Derek Lowe to the rotation. This move has not really improved the team over last year, it’s just kept us flat. Bringing in Lowe, despite the platoon in the OF, would have improved the team and been a better use of the money. They still could sign Lowe, and if they do, it will change my view of this Ibanez deal.
OK, well I’m glad I got that out of my system. I’m not down on Ibanez as a player, and I’m excited to see what he can do. I’m also not as down on the move as many national columnists are (you’d think that the Phillies had taken to killing puppies based on the tone of Keith Law’s review). But, given the money spent, the draft pick lost, and the similarities to Burrell, this wasn’t the shrewdest move that Amaro could have made to start off his career as GM.










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Call me a company man, but I think that this was the right move. I still can’t believe that we got Ibanez! He’s a more complete player than Burrell. Higher average, less strikeouts (in a line-up filled with K’s) and great team guy…. He may be older in years than Pat, but is in far better shape. Yes, he’s “slightly” better in the field, and “slightly” better on the bases. It’s still better. I’m a huge Burrell guy, a fan since we watched him here in Reading, and I’m sad to see him go, but Ibanez was a nice move by Amaro.
There are no good lefties in the NL. Stop worrying about that.
Gotta believe that this move is a beneficial one overall. It frees up $$ for another signing, gets us more quality at bats and puts more balls in play on offense (and probably the same on defense). There is something good about this guy or else the other competitive teams wouldn’t have had him so high up on their radar. It is a move for the now, and not the future, evidenced by giving up the draft pick.
Well, so far we can’t complain about guys we have picked up that Gillick has “known” in the past. I would venture to say that both Dobbs and Werth have exceeded our expectations. I know they have mine. I think the Ibanez signing is another case of this (with the added fact that Ibanez is very well known by Looper as well). Hopefully it will turn out the same way for us.
eric-
will people pls. stop saying this, its getting really old and stupid.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8935764/K-Rod:-%27We%27re-going-to-be-the-team-to-beat%27
dunno why the media always wants to bait players into saying so-called ‘controverisal’ stuff. nobody cares anyway. hmm wonder what the choker 2009 version can really do.
Pete:
Oliver Perez: a schizophrenic pitcher, LH with dominating stuff when his game is on (UNHITTABLE FOR LEFTIES) and Pat-Burrell-i-don’t-like-that-ball-look-away walk parades when he is off. His unpredictability has cost the Phillies a lot of games in 2007-08. for some reason he was always on when pitched against us and off elsewhere. If they REALLY did re-sign him then you know they are SERIOUS bout doing some Phillie-ass-kicking.
Santana doesnt bother me, he pretty much dominates everyone regardless of batting stance.
This is a pretty simple summation of the Phils/Mets rivalry:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/92403-phillies-and-mets-make-trash-talking-cool-again
It amuses me how every Mets fan that posts to any sports blog either has an excuse to why the Mets did not win the division or a what if scenario. Not one of them can admit that the Phils were the better team as evidenced by winning the World Series. This year should be an entertaining one when these 2 teams collide.
J Dubbz…Nice find. Thanks for posting the link. Very enjoyable, especially since we’re the ones putting it to the Mutts. Can’t wait for the 2009 chapter in this story.
If Pat Burrell doesn’t sign a ridiculous deal somewhere else I am going to be highly upset with one Ruben Amaro, Jr. We couldn’t have resigned Pat for a similar deal like the Ibanez 3 for 30M?? It doesn’t make sense to me. Pat is loved in Phila. and in the Phils clubhouse. Read Paul Hagens article today in the DN (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20081215_Burrell_leaves_Phillies_quietly_but_disappointed.html).
It brought a tear to my eye.
Ruben kinda made up for not signing Pat today by picking up Chan Ho and Moyer today. Now we have 4 pieces of our rotation set with Moyer, Myers, Hamels, and Blanton. Chan HO has been saying that the Phillies view him as a starter and that is why he signed, but FU Chan Ho. They better not annoint him as a starter and have open compeition for it. Happ and Kendrick both deserve a shot at the 5th spot and that HO would make our bullpen ridiculous.