Comments on: Detroit Fans’ Reaction to the Game 1 Loss http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/ Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers & Phillies fans Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:37:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: sixerzguy http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-936 sixerzguy Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:53:15 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-936 Dannie, where's your take? Come on man, you're really good, the Pistons finally gave us something to think about. I'm pissed about the game. For one thing, I can't believe they outrebounded us, that's our forte; we often have bad shooting nights, but we always rebound. And how the heck did McDyess get open for all those jumpers? That needs to be solved. Defensively, I think we can make the right adjustments. But I'm worried about our offense... Dannie, where’s your take? Come on man, you’re really good, the Pistons finally gave us something to think about.

I’m pissed about the game. For one thing, I can’t believe they outrebounded us, that’s our forte; we often have bad shooting nights, but we always rebound. And how the heck did McDyess get open for all those jumpers? That needs to be solved. Defensively, I think we can make the right adjustments. But I’m worried about our offense…

]]> By: Dave T http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-935 Dave T Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:53:55 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-935 Sixerzguy, I like the revision you said about Iggy's passing, I completely agree. He's proved time and time again that he has a really high "court awareness"...by that I mean I think he is able to see the flow of the game a few steps in advance, and he understands where people should be on the floor, when they should cut, and how they should be moving without the ball. So I think you said it nicely...his problem is that he'll recognize a situation, and then the pass comes a split second too late or too soon. To me, while I obviously don't like that, it's a great sign, because I only care about the fact that he's the type of player that naturally understands that, and has grown in that area. He's a guy that "gets it"...things like timing and precision will improve every year with age and experience...and especially with him...100% confidence in his ability to take over a game without needing to score. To me, Willie Green doesn't "get it" as much. While I agree he is less turnover prone, I don't necessarily equate that with a high bball IQ and court awareness, which I think is essential on any team that wants to have a well run half court set. I think Willie Green makes good passing decisions, yes...like the Spurs, he's a guy that won't beat himself risking a dumb error...but I think a system where a PG really needs to RUN an offense, needs a PG that sometimes has those balls of steel to know when to be selfish in order to break down the defense and draw attention to open for others that have gone stagnant...I just can't see Willie Green in that role at all. Sixerzguy, I like the revision you said about Iggy’s passing, I completely agree. He’s proved time and time again that he has a really high “court awareness”…by that I mean I think he is able to see the flow of the game a few steps in advance, and he understands where people should be on the floor, when they should cut, and how they should be moving without the ball.

So I think you said it nicely…his problem is that he’ll recognize a situation, and then the pass comes a split second too late or too soon. To me, while I obviously don’t like that, it’s a great sign, because I only care about the fact that he’s the type of player that naturally understands that, and has grown in that area. He’s a guy that “gets it”…things like timing and precision will improve every year with age and experience…and especially with him…100% confidence in his ability to take over a game without needing to score.

To me, Willie Green doesn’t “get it” as much. While I agree he is less turnover prone, I don’t necessarily equate that with a high bball IQ and court awareness, which I think is essential on any team that wants to have a well run half court set. I think Willie Green makes good passing decisions, yes…like the Spurs, he’s a guy that won’t beat himself risking a dumb error…but I think a system where a PG really needs to RUN an offense, needs a PG that sometimes has those balls of steel to know when to be selfish in order to break down the defense and draw attention to open for others that have gone stagnant…I just can’t see Willie Green in that role at all.

]]> By: sixerzguy http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-933 sixerzguy Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:08:56 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-933 Zeru, nice to have you here, but surprised. I thought you'd be the first name I'd see under the new format on Deep Sixer. You know people are starting to trickle back there? You said you're in the military, are you special forces or something, so you can't sign up because of some non-disclosure agreement you signed? Maybe officially, you don't even exist... lol... Anyways, you oughta give it to Narducci for messing with Sixerville at this point in time. The only other worse time would've been right after the draft. Zeru, nice to have you here, but surprised. I thought you’d be the first name I’d see under the new format on Deep Sixer. You know people are starting to trickle back there? You said you’re in the military, are you special forces or something, so you can’t sign up because of some non-disclosure agreement you signed? Maybe officially, you don’t even exist… lol… Anyways, you oughta give it to Narducci for messing with Sixerville at this point in time. The only other worse time would’ve been right after the draft.

]]> By: sixerzguy http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-932 sixerzguy Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:33:31 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-932 I'd like to edit what I wrote a little, I was too hard on both Iggy and Lou's passing. Iggy's usually a good passer, but when he does make mistakes with his passing it's because his timing is off, like a player will be in the right spot at just the right time, but Iggy comes just a little too late with the pass. LouWill takes good care of the ball, and actually his passes aren't risky, which is his problem - if he's got the distributor role for a possession, what you'll see often is him just pounding the ball away, waiting to make that safe pass, whereas Miller takes some chances with his passing. They'll have the same A/T ratio. LouWill will have less turnovers but less assists, whereas Miller will have more turnovers but more assists. I’d like to edit what I wrote a little, I was too hard on both Iggy and Lou’s passing. Iggy’s usually a good passer, but when he does make mistakes with his passing it’s because his timing is off, like a player will be in the right spot at just the right time, but Iggy comes just a little too late with the pass. LouWill takes good care of the ball, and actually his passes aren’t risky, which is his problem – if he’s got the distributor role for a possession, what you’ll see often is him just pounding the ball away, waiting to make that safe pass, whereas Miller takes some chances with his passing. They’ll have the same A/T ratio. LouWill will have less turnovers but less assists, whereas Miller will have more turnovers but more assists.

]]> By: sixerzguy http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-931 sixerzguy Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:14:27 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-931 Dave, I feel the opposite way about Willie in that his slashing and offense are terrible, but he makes really good non-shooting decisions. The more he passes and the less he shoots, the better. He's our 2nd best passer behind Miller... but I don't mean that as praise at all, the gap in ability is huge, but it's what we have. Notice how a lot of Iggy's and LouWill's passes are risky and oftentimes they're to people when they're in the wrong place. LouWill especially just doesn't have that certain "touch" on his passes. Dannie, agree with Dave about the good points regarding the Triangle. Just saying that if LouWill became the point, Mo would have to run something very different from what he's running now, and yes, the personnel would have to be changed, but LouWill is not the guy you want to build around. Dave, I feel the opposite way about Willie in that his slashing and offense are terrible, but he makes really good non-shooting decisions. The more he passes and the less he shoots, the better. He’s our 2nd best passer behind Miller… but I don’t mean that as praise at all, the gap in ability is huge, but it’s what we have. Notice how a lot of Iggy’s and LouWill’s passes are risky and oftentimes they’re to people when they’re in the wrong place. LouWill especially just doesn’t have that certain “touch” on his passes.

Dannie, agree with Dave about the good points regarding the Triangle. Just saying that if LouWill became the point, Mo would have to run something very different from what he’s running now, and yes, the personnel would have to be changed, but LouWill is not the guy you want to build around.

]]> By: Dave T http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-930 Dave T Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:25:24 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-930 Dannie that's an excellent point about the triangle...it's a system predicated on needing players that have a very high intelligence about floor spacing and ball movement in the half court. The Sixers (with the exception of the two Andre's) between Carney, Thad, Jason Smith, Willie Green, Dalembert, and the other Motley Crew random talent we have...aren't a high bball IQ team in the half court. We don't have good passing bigs, we don't have wingmen that move particularly well without the ball...and that's exactly why we need a dominating PG personality. On teams like San Antonio, Lakers, Detroit, San Antonio...the current Boston team, the 05-07 Mavs teams...I agree that you could get away with having a non-top tier PG, out of position SG, or combo guard, running the show, because of the higher level of halfcourt offense those teams played...and because they all have court savvy forwardsor swingmen (Sheed, Rip, Dirk, J Howard, KG, Pierce, Duncan, Manu, Kobe, Pau, Odom, etc)...but it's clear the Sixers do not have that type of talent nor personnel to run a successful halfcourt offense with a scoring or out of position PG. Willie Green would be an abysmal failure, we need to pray that never, EVER happens lol. Dannie that’s an excellent point about the triangle…it’s a system predicated on needing players that have a very high intelligence about floor spacing and ball movement in the half court.

The Sixers (with the exception of the two Andre’s) between Carney, Thad, Jason Smith, Willie Green, Dalembert, and the other Motley Crew random talent we have…aren’t a high bball IQ team in the half court. We don’t have good passing bigs, we don’t have wingmen that move particularly well without the ball…and that’s exactly why we need a dominating PG personality.

On teams like San Antonio, Lakers, Detroit, San Antonio…the current Boston team, the 05-07 Mavs teams…I agree that you could get away with having a non-top tier PG, out of position SG, or combo guard, running the show, because of the higher level of halfcourt offense those teams played…and because they all have court savvy forwardsor swingmen (Sheed, Rip, Dirk, J Howard, KG, Pierce, Duncan, Manu, Kobe, Pau, Odom, etc)…but it’s clear the Sixers do not have that type of talent nor personnel to run a successful halfcourt offense with a scoring or out of position PG.

Willie Green would be an abysmal failure, we need to pray that never, EVER happens lol.

]]> By: Dannie http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-929 Dannie Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:15:45 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-929 Zeru - I am with you. I bought tix for game 4 just in case Philly pulls off the sweep. That is a once in a lifetime event I wouldn't want to miss. Sixerzguy - 3 must-haves to run the triangle offense the Lakers and '90s Bulls ran. 1. Legit post up threat, doesn't have to be a big guy either Kobe and MJ played that role very well. 2. Very good passing bigs to play the high-low game (Odom and Gasol play it very well together) 3. Three-point shooting I don't think the Sixers have any of those pieces right now to play that style of offense whether Willie or Lou was at the point. I think that is part of the reason they aren't very consistent in the half-court game as it is. Joe - Not a big fan of Willie Green playing 35+ minutes but I am cool with him off the Sixers bench. Zeru – I am with you. I bought tix for game 4 just in case Philly pulls off the sweep. That is a once in a lifetime event I wouldn’t want to miss.

Sixerzguy – 3 must-haves to run the triangle offense the Lakers and ’90s Bulls ran.

1. Legit post up threat, doesn’t have to be a big guy either Kobe and MJ played that role very well.
2. Very good passing bigs to play the high-low game (Odom and Gasol play it very well together)
3. Three-point shooting

I don’t think the Sixers have any of those pieces right now to play that style of offense whether Willie or Lou was at the point. I think that is part of the reason they aren’t very consistent in the half-court game as it is.

Joe – Not a big fan of Willie Green playing 35+ minutes but I am cool with him off the Sixers bench.

]]> By: Dave T http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-928 Dave T Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:11:38 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-928 Sixerzguy, while I'm glad we staunchly agree Lou Williams should never EVER be the guy manning this team now or in the future...Willie Green at PG would be awful for us. Aside from the fact that he's flat out not good enough to play the position...the way this Sixers team is set up...in the future we're going to need a pass first guy, not a scoring PG. A scoring PG would absolutely destroy this team...right now we have no go to scorer, and therefore it is absolutely essential our PG post Andre Miller is a guy with high bball IQ that understands floor spacing, how to distribute, and can make passing seams available where there seem to be none. Willie Green, while I like his tough nosed play and slashing ability, has none of those abilities. I really think we need a 2nd mid - late first round pick in this draft...I would love to grab DJ Augustine if he comes out to groom for the future. Also Joe...why the beef against Rafer? He's not an elite PG by any stretch of the imagination...but "worst player that see significant PT"...that's pretty harsh. Rafer can play man...he can break anyone down off the dribble, is a pretty clutch three point shooter, and over the years has really matured into a solid distributer. Is he a top 10 PG? No. Does he sometimes make bad decisions? Yes. Does he literally have no mid range game...absolutely. But don't say the guy is one of the worst talents at this position in the league...he's always given a big boost to the teams he's played for. And his transformation from street ball king Skip to my Lou, to a pretty savvy NBA veteran that understands the game...just shows the hard work and dedication he's put into learning the game at a higher level. Sixerzguy, while I’m glad we staunchly agree Lou Williams should never EVER be the guy manning this team now or in the future…Willie Green at PG would be awful for us. Aside from the fact that he’s flat out not good enough to play the position…the way this Sixers team is set up…in the future we’re going to need a pass first guy, not a scoring PG.

A scoring PG would absolutely destroy this team…right now we have no go to scorer, and therefore it is absolutely essential our PG post Andre Miller is a guy with high bball IQ that understands floor spacing, how to distribute, and can make passing seams available where there seem to be none. Willie Green, while I like his tough nosed play and slashing ability, has none of those abilities.

I really think we need a 2nd mid – late first round pick in this draft…I would love to grab DJ Augustine if he comes out to groom for the future.

Also Joe…why the beef against Rafer? He’s not an elite PG by any stretch of the imagination…but “worst player that see significant PT”…that’s pretty harsh. Rafer can play man…he can break anyone down off the dribble, is a pretty clutch three point shooter, and over the years has really matured into a solid distributer.

Is he a top 10 PG? No. Does he sometimes make bad decisions? Yes. Does he literally have no mid range game…absolutely. But don’t say the guy is one of the worst talents at this position in the league…he’s always given a big boost to the teams he’s played for. And his transformation from street ball king Skip to my Lou, to a pretty savvy NBA veteran that understands the game…just shows the hard work and dedication he’s put into learning the game at a higher level.

]]> By: Joe http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-927 Joe Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:11:07 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-927 Willie Green a Point Guard? I don't care what he is called as long as he isn't on the court next year, which would be realized if Cheeks wasn't coaching this team. He has too much of a mancrush on Willie to cut him from the rotation. Willie is right there with Rafer Alston, Larry Hughes, and Eddy Curry in my book for worst players in the NBA that see significant PT. Willie Green a Point Guard? I don’t care what he is called as long as he isn’t on the court next year, which would be realized if Cheeks wasn’t coaching this team. He has too much of a mancrush on Willie to cut him from the rotation.

Willie is right there with Rafer Alston, Larry Hughes, and Eddy Curry in my book for worst players in the NBA that see significant PT.

]]> By: sixerzguy http://www.reclinergm.com/detroit-fans-reaction-to-the-game-1-loss/#comment-926 sixerzguy Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:40:45 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=202#comment-926 Dave T, I just wanted to echo your earlier comments regarding LouWill - watching the Sixers this year, I don't remember ever thinking, "Lou made a lot of good passes today." If we did go to him full-time as a PG, we'd need a different offense, like the Lakers' offense, for example, where there's lots of ball movement. I've been killed for this idea (cough Morty cough), but I think Willie Green would be pretty decent as a PG. I'd still prefer him gone from the team for next season, but while we got him, let's take advantage of his positives. Dannie, right on, I think the 2nd quarter is a good spot for Carney, he could be for the 2nd quarter what LouWill is to the 4th? Game 2 tonight, I CANNOT WAIT, I LOVE THIS SEASON! Dave T, I just wanted to echo your earlier comments regarding LouWill – watching the Sixers this year, I don’t remember ever thinking, “Lou made a lot of good passes today.” If we did go to him full-time as a PG, we’d need a different offense, like the Lakers’ offense, for example, where there’s lots of ball movement. I’ve been killed for this idea (cough Morty cough), but I think Willie Green would be pretty decent as a PG. I’d still prefer him gone from the team for next season, but while we got him, let’s take advantage of his positives.

Dannie, right on, I think the 2nd quarter is a good spot for Carney, he could be for the 2nd quarter what LouWill is to the 4th?

Game 2 tonight, I CANNOT WAIT, I LOVE THIS SEASON!

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