Comments on: Eagles Blow One in Dallas – But Here’s Some Positive http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:41:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Dannie http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5041 Dannie Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:42:54 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5041 Donovan still needs to at the very least play very well in a Super Bowl (it's still a team game so winning isn't 100% on him) before he leaves town/retires to solidify his mark as a great QB.  Right now I think he is very good and nothing really to complain about on the whole.  He still has time if he remains healthy the next 3 years. Donovan still needs to at the very least play very well in a Super Bowl (it’s still a team game so winning isn’t 100% on him) before he leaves town/retires to solidify his mark as a great QB.  Right now I think he is very good and nothing really to complain about on the whole.  He still has time if he remains healthy the next 3 years.

]]> By: Dannie http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5040 Dannie Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:39:04 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5040 I pointed out this thought in <a href="#comment-4978" rel="nofollow">my comment above</a> to JJG, just without the comparisons of some other QBs.  It supports Pete's point a bit because it just says other elite quarterbacks have not had great records (besides Brady) in the postseason and in close games. Pete's stats on Manning are extremely telling.  His QB rating was marginal at best.  Certainly not elite level performances the year they went to the Super Bowl and won it.  So his team won IN SPITE of his mediocre play, yet he gets much of the credit and all is forgotten of his previous failures. I would be interested to see Favre's break down in the playoffs as well. I pointed out this thought in my comment above to JJG, just without the comparisons of some other QBs.  It supports Pete’s point a bit because it just says other elite quarterbacks have not had great records (besides Brady) in the postseason and in close games.

Pete’s stats on Manning are extremely telling.  His QB rating was marginal at best.  Certainly not elite level performances the year they went to the Super Bowl and won it.  So his team won IN SPITE of his mediocre play, yet he gets much of the credit and all is forgotten of his previous failures.

I would be interested to see Favre’s break down in the playoffs as well.

]]> By: mole http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5038 mole Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:24:17 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5038 here is something interesting and along the lines of our argument...not sure whose side it supports but here it is nonetheless... Donovan McNabb's career record in games decided by seven points or fewer is 24-24. It would be erroneous to say that all 24 of those wins or all 24 of those losses came down to something the quarterback did or didn't do. Still, it's enlightening to compare how some of the other elite quarterbacks have fared in the same situation during their careers. Tom Brady, for example, is 39-10 in games decided by seven points or fewer, including a 7-2 mark in the postseason. Maybe that means he has a better team, a better coach, and a better plan at the end of games. That's all part of a quarterback's greatness, too. But it most certainly means that Brady has made more big plays at the ends of games than McNabb. Peyton Manning is 45-32 in games decided by seven points or fewer, but just 2-4 in the postseason. As brilliantly as Manning has played in his career, he also was widely criticized for his failure to come through in the clutch until he won a Super Bowl two seasons ago. Brett Favre is 62-47 in games decided by seven points or fewer, but only 3-4 in the postseason. He, too, gets a hall pass because of that one Super Bowl victory. <strong><em>-- Philadelphia Inquirer </em></strong> here is something interesting and along the lines of our argument…not sure whose side it supports but here it is nonetheless…

Donovan McNabb’s career record in games decided by seven points or fewer is 24-24. It would be erroneous to say that all 24 of those wins or all 24 of those losses came down to something the quarterback did or didn’t do. Still, it’s enlightening to compare how some of the other elite quarterbacks have fared in the same situation during their careers. Tom Brady, for example, is 39-10 in games decided by seven points or fewer, including a 7-2 mark in the postseason. Maybe that means he has a better team, a better coach, and a better plan at the end of games. That’s all part of a quarterback’s greatness, too. But it most certainly means that Brady has made more big plays at the ends of games than McNabb. Peyton Manning is 45-32 in games decided by seven points or fewer, but just 2-4 in the postseason. As brilliantly as Manning has played in his career, he also was widely criticized for his failure to come through in the clutch until he won a Super Bowl two seasons ago. Brett Favre is 62-47 in games decided by seven points or fewer, but only 3-4 in the postseason. He, too, gets a hall pass because of that one Super Bowl victory. – Philadelphia Inquirer

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5036 Pete Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:58:26 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5036 no, I'm a typical #5 fan in that I've enjoyed watching the Eagles be very good for the last 9 years instead of pretty much sucking for 80% of the years before that. Usually, when a player takes one of my favorite teams and turns them into a contender year-in and year-out, I appreciate them. I must be crazy. For instance, if the Lions draft a QB next year that takes them to the playoffs nearly every year he starts, I don't think I'd expect their fan base to hate him and label people who like him as "apologists". define "outsiders..." aren't the fans, players and coaches who selected him to 5 pro bowls outsiders? im not blinded by anything. I've seen the good and i've seen the bad. Philly fans are blinded because they watch every Philly game and don't take into account that <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>EVERY</strong></span> QB makes these types of plays. They assume our guy is the only one doing it because they don't watch every down of every other team. I just proved to you that Peyton Manning has the same dropping QB rating in the playoffs, and you completely dismissed it. If you'd like, we can discuss all the HORRENDOUS throws Brett Farve made in the playoffs for the Packers. We can start with him giftwrapping a pick to Brian Dawkins in OT in the 2004 playoffs after McNabb unclutchly completed a 4th and 26. no, I’m a typical #5 fan in that I’ve enjoyed watching the Eagles be very good for the last 9 years instead of pretty much sucking for 80% of the years before that. Usually, when a player takes one of my favorite teams and turns them into a contender year-in and year-out, I appreciate them. I must be crazy.

For instance, if the Lions draft a QB next year that takes them to the playoffs nearly every year he starts, I don’t think I’d expect their fan base to hate him and label people who like him as “apologists”.

define “outsiders…” aren’t the fans, players and coaches who selected him to 5 pro bowls outsiders?

im not blinded by anything. I’ve seen the good and i’ve seen the bad. Philly fans are blinded because they watch every Philly game and don’t take into account that EVERY QB makes these types of plays. They assume our guy is the only one doing it because they don’t watch every down of every other team.
I just proved to you that Peyton Manning has the same dropping QB rating in the playoffs, and you completely dismissed it. If you’d like, we can discuss all the HORRENDOUS throws Brett Farve made in the playoffs for the Packers. We can start with him giftwrapping a pick to Brian Dawkins in OT in the 2004 playoffs after McNabb unclutchly completed a 4th and 26.

]]> By: mole http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5035 mole Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:55:32 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5035 were gonna have to agree to disagree on this one..i think mcnabb is an above average qb comparable to hasselback, brees, eli manning etc…you point out that the ny giants defense won the super bowl last year, and I will point out the dominant eagles defenses from 2000-2003--it wasnt great qb play that got them to where they were, but rather great defense...and the fact of the matter is that eli manning made big time plays in the super bowl last year when he needed to, and donnie mac didnt when he was given the chance to.. were gonna have to agree to disagree on this one..i think mcnabb is an above average qb comparable to hasselback, brees, eli manning etc…you point out that the ny giants defense won the super bowl last year, and I will point out the dominant eagles defenses from 2000-2003–it wasnt great qb play that got them to where they were, but rather great defense…and the fact of the matter is that eli manning made big time plays in the super bowl last year when he needed to, and donnie mac didnt when he was given the chance to..

]]> By: mole http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5032 mole Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:33:02 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5032 your a typical #5 fan, keep making excuses for him---if you talk to most outsiders they dont even consider mcnabb a top ten qb---and is known as a choke artist...you are completely blinded by the big numbers he puts up in teh regular season--- your a typical #5 fan, keep making excuses for him—if you talk to most outsiders they dont even consider mcnabb a top ten qb—and is known as a choke artist…you are completely blinded by the big numbers he puts up in teh regular season—

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5031 Pete Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:31:02 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5031 <p>here is the same thing for Peyton Manning. The only year he didnt get worse as the playoffs went on was the super bowl year, when he was mediocre all the way through. 2000 Wild card-82.0 Divisional- 60.9</p> <p>2004 Wild Card - 158.3 Divisional- 138.7 AFC Champ- 35.5</p> <p>2005 Divisional- 81.8 NFC Champ- 64.3</p> <p>2007 Wild Card - 71.9 Divisional- 39.6 AFC Champ- 79.1 Super Bowl- 81.8</p> here is the same thing for Peyton Manning. The only year he didnt get worse as the playoffs went on was the super bowl year, when he was mediocre all the way through.

2000
Wild card-82.0
Divisional- 60.9

2004
Wild Card – 158.3
Divisional- 138.7
AFC Champ- 35.5

2005
Divisional- 81.8
NFC Champ- 64.3

2007
Wild Card – 71.9
Divisional- 39.6
AFC Champ- 79.1
Super Bowl- 81.8

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5030 Pete Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:19:02 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5030 <p>"using some logic", you can also assume that deeper in the playoffs you are going to play better teams with better defenses. The 2002 Tampa D and 2004 New England D were historically good. 2003 NFC Champ shouldn't even be on there because he only attempted a couple passes.</p> <p>again - i love how you guys are COMPLETELY overlooking the 111.4 rating in the divisional and NFC championship games in 2004 and basing your argument solely on the bad numbers. No pressure in the 2004 NFC championship? seriously? none? Yeah, that was a breeze for us fans too. I barely even watched the game because I knew what was going to happen....</p> “using some logic”, you can also assume that deeper in the playoffs you are going to play better teams with better defenses. The 2002 Tampa D and 2004 New England D were historically good. 2003 NFC Champ shouldn’t even be on there because he only attempted a couple passes.

again – i love how you guys are COMPLETELY overlooking the 111.4 rating in the divisional and NFC championship games in 2004 and basing your argument solely on the bad numbers. No pressure in the 2004 NFC championship? seriously? none? Yeah, that was a breeze for us fans too. I barely even watched the game because I knew what was going to happen….

]]> By: mole http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5025 mole Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:30:38 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5025 sorry that didnt paste correctly 2000 Wild card-90.6 Divisional- 59.1 2001 Wild card-97.8 Divisional- 89.8 NFC Champ- 73.1 2002 Divisional-103.1 NFC Champ- 58.5 2003 Divisional- 90.5 NFC Champ- 19.3 2004 Divisional-111.4 NFC Champ- 111.4 Super Bowl- 75.4 as you can see EVERY year as the playoffs went on, he became a worse passer... sorry that didnt paste correctly

2000
Wild card-90.6
Divisional- 59.1

2001
Wild card-97.8
Divisional- 89.8
NFC Champ- 73.1

2002
Divisional-103.1
NFC Champ- 58.5

2003
Divisional- 90.5
NFC Champ- 19.3

2004
Divisional-111.4
NFC Champ- 111.4
Super Bowl- 75.4

as you can see EVERY year as the playoffs went on, he became a worse passer…

]]> By: mole http://www.reclinergm.com/eagles-blow-one-in-dallas-but-heres-some-positive/#comment-5019 mole Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:47:57 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=1061#comment-5019 Pete, not sure how you don’t understand the pressure thing, I hope the graphic below sums it up for you----using some logic and assuming that the deeper you go in the playoffs, the more important the games become and therefore more pressure…here’s how #5 performed….as you can see, as you go deeper in the playoffs, his QB rating falls …   2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 <strong>Wild Card Round</strong> 90.6 97.8 <strong>Divisional Round</strong> 59.1 89.8 103.1 90.5 111.4 <strong>NFC Championship</strong> 73.1 58.5 19.3 111.1 <strong>Super Bowl</strong> 75.4 Pete, not sure how you don’t understand the pressure thing, I hope the graphic below sums it up for you—-using some logic and assuming that the deeper you go in the playoffs, the more important the games become and therefore more pressure…here’s how #5 performed….as you can see, as you go deeper in the playoffs, his QB rating falls …
 
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004

Wild Card Round
90.6
97.8

Divisional Round
59.1
89.8
103.1
90.5
111.4

NFC Championship
73.1
58.5
19.3
111.1

Super Bowl
75.4

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