Comments on: Evaluating the ’07-’08 76ers: Andre Miller http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:41:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Kevin http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/#comment-1688 Kevin Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:21:47 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=254#comment-1688 If we can load up this offseason, ala Boston (KG & Allen) then AM helps us. The problem is I don't see us taking that step to titletown this year, and I don't think AM wants to be around past this year. My dream scenario is Igoudala traded for a true SG, such as Corey Maggette or Richard Hamilton. Then you sign a FA such as Brand or Jamison. I know this may be a pipe dream, but hey it's what fans do. That would give us this lineup next year: Andre Miller Maggette/Hamilton Young Brand/Jamison Dalembert With Lou, Carney, and whatever big man you draft coming off the bench. If you feel you have a real shot to win the title at the deadline next year, you keep Andre Miller. If not, then you trade him and get what you can. And honestly I just dont see Andre Miller giving us the production that he gave us this past season, for too many more seasons. If we can load up this offseason, ala Boston (KG & Allen) then AM helps us. The problem is I don’t see us taking that step to titletown this year, and I don’t think AM wants to be around past this year. My dream scenario is Igoudala traded for a true SG, such as Corey Maggette or Richard Hamilton. Then you sign a FA such as Brand or Jamison. I know this may be a pipe dream, but hey it’s what fans do. That would give us this lineup next year:
Andre Miller
Maggette/Hamilton
Young
Brand/Jamison
Dalembert
With Lou, Carney, and whatever big man you draft coming off the bench.
If you feel you have a real shot to win the title at the deadline next year, you keep Andre Miller. If not, then you trade him and get what you can.
And honestly I just dont see Andre Miller giving us the production that he gave us this past season, for too many more seasons.

]]> By: Zack http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/#comment-1684 Zack Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:46:59 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=254#comment-1684 Kevin, I don't think it matters where you plug in your really good veterans. Instead of a young PG and an older SG (Rondo and Allen), why not an older PG and a younger SG (Miller and Iggy). And except for game 6 of the finals and a few other stretches, Rondo was pretty bad in the playoffs. So who would you trade Miller for then? If you got back young guys, we're not championship-caliber for a couple of years. It sounds like you think you can construct a championship team by surrounding a bunch of really good young guys with role-player veterans, and I disagree with that, historically that rarely happens unless those young guys are lights-out superstars. The young guys who were major cogs of recent past championship teams: Duncan, Prince, Bryant, Wade, Parker - you're not gonna get one of those type of guys for Miller except for maybe a Tayshaun Prince type. Kevin, I don’t think it matters where you plug in your really good veterans. Instead of a young PG and an older SG (Rondo and Allen), why not an older PG and a younger SG (Miller and Iggy). And except for game 6 of the finals and a few other stretches, Rondo was pretty bad in the playoffs.

So who would you trade Miller for then? If you got back young guys, we’re not championship-caliber for a couple of years. It sounds like you think you can construct a championship team by surrounding a bunch of really good young guys with role-player veterans, and I disagree with that, historically that rarely happens unless those young guys are lights-out superstars. The young guys who were major cogs of recent past championship teams: Duncan, Prince, Bryant, Wade, Parker – you’re not gonna get one of those type of guys for Miller except for maybe a Tayshaun Prince type.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/#comment-1677 Kevin Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:38:14 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=254#comment-1677 Sorry bro, dont agree with you on this one. I dont think Miller is the key to the title. If you want to use the Celtics for example (which is killing me to acknowledge them winning) they started a young guard in Rondo. Then came with the vets to steady the game is needed. That is a formula that works. For instance if Lou started, you just bring a guy off the bench. Those Sam Cassels, Derek Fischers, Lindsey Hunters, etc are always available. Sorry bro, dont agree with you on this one. I dont think Miller is the key to the title. If you want to use the Celtics for example (which is killing me to acknowledge them winning) they started a young guard in Rondo. Then came with the vets to steady the game is needed. That is a formula that works. For instance if Lou started, you just bring a guy off the bench. Those Sam Cassels, Derek Fischers, Lindsey Hunters, etc are always available.

]]> By: Zack http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/#comment-1673 Zack Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:24:54 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=254#comment-1673 Kevin, whether or not you get rid of Miller depends on what the Sixers expect. If they think they have a shot at the title within the next 3 years, you gotta keep Miller, unless you trade him for another really experienced veteran. In the playoffs, the Celtics' older guys contributed more than their younger ones (not saying the young guys didn't contribute, but collectively they did less than the older guys). There have been very, very few young championship teams that were really young in the 4 major sports. I think we need Miller if we're aiming for a title. If the Sixers' goal is to develop their young guys with the goal of being a contender in a couple years' time, then go ahead and see what kind of young talent you can get for Miller. BTW, I got these ideas of needing older vets to win from this <a href="http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2008/06/17/2258/garnett_through_heartaches_and_tough_times_you_learn_to_appreciate_new_opportunities_ive_been_able_to_do_that" rel="nofollow">great interview with Kevin Garnett</a> from, as usual, TrueHoop. Kevin, whether or not you get rid of Miller depends on what the Sixers expect. If they think they have a shot at the title within the next 3 years, you gotta keep Miller, unless you trade him for another really experienced veteran. In the playoffs, the Celtics’ older guys contributed more than their younger ones (not saying the young guys didn’t contribute, but collectively they did less than the older guys). There have been very, very few young championship teams that were really young in the 4 major sports. I think we need Miller if we’re aiming for a title.

If the Sixers’ goal is to develop their young guys with the goal of being a contender in a couple years’ time, then go ahead and see what kind of young talent you can get for Miller.

BTW, I got these ideas of needing older vets to win from this great interview with Kevin Garnett from, as usual, TrueHoop.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/#comment-1671 Kevin Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:09:53 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=254#comment-1671 Man he was awesome this past year. We never would have made the playoffs, or won any games there if it wasnt for him. That said I dont think that he wants to or will be here long term. If Lou progresses as I think next season, I see Miller moved at the deadline next season. Man he was awesome this past year. We never would have made the playoffs, or won any games there if it wasnt for him. That said I dont think that he wants to or will be here long term. If Lou progresses as I think next season, I see Miller moved at the deadline next season.

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/#comment-1333 bski Sun, 25 May 2008 22:17:52 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=254#comment-1333 I feel I must put up a general post. I can't understand why there aren't more posts about Miller. He has probably been one of the most divisive member of the team from the fan's perspective. There are lots of strong, differing opinions. I mean loads of people were calling for the Sixers to move him at the deadline. Those same people still think we should move him now or at least at next year's deadline. Others, myself included, think the Sixers should not only keep him next year but extend him as well. Still others think the Sixers should only keep him through next year and let him walk. That would give us his 10 million to be a player in next year's free agent market. Some think he's too old or too limited(no 3pt shot) to keep him. Loads of opinions but no comments here. Very puzzling. I feel I must put up a general post. I can’t understand why there aren’t more posts about Miller. He has probably been one of the most divisive member of the team from the fan’s perspective. There are lots of strong, differing opinions. I mean loads of people were calling for the Sixers to move him at the deadline. Those same people still think we should move him now or at least at next year’s deadline. Others, myself included, think the Sixers should not only keep him next year but extend him as well. Still others think the Sixers should only keep him through next year and let him walk. That would give us his 10 million to be a player in next year’s free agent market. Some think he’s too old or too limited(no 3pt shot) to keep him. Loads of opinions but no comments here. Very puzzling.

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/#comment-1315 bski Sat, 24 May 2008 15:12:36 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=254#comment-1315 DANNIE: On the mark again. There are three things that really impress me about Miller. One is how smart he is on the floor. When guys were going well he would run the offense and look to distribute. When the team struggled, he would step up and score. He has a great sense of when either one was needed. The second is how patient he is. He will continue to run the offense and stay with the play with his head up looking for his teammates. He doesn't give up on the play too soon. The third is how calm he is. He is always in control. You can't tell how much time is left on the shot clock by looking at him. There could be 4 seconds on the clock and he's still calmly looking for a teammate. Many people feel that Lou is our PG of the future. I do not. The difference between Miller and Williams is clear. Lou looks for his shot first. Usually he will only look to pass after he is unable to break his man down one on one. Miller looks to run the offense and pass first. He always has his head up. He only looks to score as a second option. I couldn't believe all the "trade Miller" talk on Deep Sixer back in Jan/Feb. A lot of people were pointing out what he doesn't do, meanwhile they are totally oblivious to what he brings to the team every night. Also, no thought is given to how we could replace it. Without Miller, no doubt we would have been the 20-25 win team everyone expected us to be. I have been a big proponent of extending Miller. I feel it's the best move for the franchise. He has been very durable and the type of game he plays would lead you to believe he can play at the same level for a few more years. If we can keep him for a few more years we can continue with our progress. I'm hoping we can move up and draft our PG of the future now. We can't do much better than Mo and Miller as examples and teachers. Keeping Miller for a few years gives us the time we need to groom a replacement so we don't regress. DANNIE: On the mark again. There are three things that really impress me about Miller. One is how smart he is on the floor. When guys were going well he would run the offense and look to distribute. When the team struggled, he would step up and score. He has a great sense of when either one was needed. The second is how patient he is. He will continue to run the offense and stay with the play with his head up looking for his teammates. He doesn’t give up on the play too soon. The third is how calm he is. He is always in control. You can’t tell how much time is left on the shot clock by looking at him. There could be 4 seconds on the clock and he’s still calmly looking for a teammate.

Many people feel that Lou is our PG of the future. I do not. The difference between Miller and Williams is clear. Lou looks for his shot first. Usually he will only look to pass after he is unable to break his man down one on one. Miller looks to run the offense and pass first. He always has his head up. He only looks to score as a second option.

I couldn’t believe all the “trade Miller” talk on Deep Sixer back in Jan/Feb. A lot of people were pointing out what he doesn’t do, meanwhile they are totally oblivious to what he brings to the team every night. Also, no thought is given to how we could replace it. Without Miller, no doubt we would have been the 20-25 win team everyone expected us to be.

I have been a big proponent of extending Miller. I feel it’s the best move for the franchise. He has been very durable and the type of game he plays would lead you to believe he can play at the same level for a few more years. If we can keep him for a few more years we can continue with our progress.

I’m hoping we can move up and draft our PG of the future now. We can’t do much better than Mo and Miller as examples and teachers. Keeping Miller for a few years gives us the time we need to groom a replacement so we don’t regress.

]]> By: Ricky - Sixers4guidos http://www.reclinergm.com/evaluating-the-07-08-76ers-andre-miller/#comment-1313 Ricky - Sixers4guidos Sat, 24 May 2008 14:17:41 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=254#comment-1313 so Miller is your MVP, same thought here Dannie, nice I completely agree with everything you said, and I also think that adding a couple of real shooters will make his assists averages go up and his shots go down I think it's wonderful what he did this year in such a offensive limited team, with basically no low post presence and no outside shooters I also think we should keep him and start to think about extending him... so Miller is your MVP, same thought here Dannie, nice

I completely agree with everything you said, and I also think that adding a couple of real shooters will make his assists averages go up and his shots go down

I think it’s wonderful what he did this year in such a offensive limited team, with basically no low post presence and no outside shooters

I also think we should keep him and start to think about extending him…

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