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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/how-do-agents-and-nba-teams-negotiate-contracts/#comment-3502</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder what the terms are...  my guess... 5 years 24 million.  5th year a PO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder what the terms are&#8230;  my guess&#8230; 5 years 24 million.  5th year a PO.</p>
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		<title>By: dre</title>
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		<dc:creator>dre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One down and one to go. Lou Will signed for 5 years. Iguodala should be pulling up to the Sixers office as I type this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One down and one to go. Lou Will signed for 5 years. Iguodala should be pulling up to the Sixers office as I type this.</p>
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		<title>By: jkay</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DENG!! OKAFOR?? these cats are handing out money like its an election campaign! Jeez can&#039;t anyone have the sense to negotiate with some balls. not only are they driving up iggy&#039;s price tag but worst of all, these guys arent that good. AT ALL. iggy&#039;s way better than deng and okafor is dalembert with minimal post moves. wow if i am iggy&#039;s agent i wud be DEMANDING  the moon. if i&#039;m ed, i wud have my head in a toilet right about now. meen anyone read the article bout how inflated superstar contracts are messing cap room and forcing decent players away from nba teams to places like europe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DENG!! OKAFOR?? these cats are handing out money like its an election campaign! Jeez can&#8217;t anyone have the sense to negotiate with some balls. not only are they driving up iggy&#8217;s price tag but worst of all, these guys arent that good. AT ALL. iggy&#8217;s way better than deng and okafor is dalembert with minimal post moves. wow if i am iggy&#8217;s agent i wud be DEMANDING  the moon. if i&#8217;m ed, i wud have my head in a toilet right about now. meen anyone read the article bout how inflated superstar contracts are messing cap room and forcing decent players away from nba teams to places like europe?</p>
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		<title>By: dre</title>
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		<dc:creator>dre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bski - well said, you&#039;ve explained &quot;worth&quot; as well as anyone could have. I feel like Iguodala and Thad have the opportunity to grow uo together like MJ &amp; Pip or Stockton &amp; Malone, not saying skill wise (but I hope so) but I&#039;m saying when you think of one guy you automatically think of the other.

bball - Monta Ellis now has the chance to see if he can be  &quot;the man&quot; or not. Let&#039;s see if his numbers hold up (especially the FG%).

As much as I like Iggy, he is not worth $80M at this point of his career. And neither is Deng. Buy if Arenas can get $111M then anything&#039;s possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bski &#8211; well said, you&#8217;ve explained &#8220;worth&#8221; as well as anyone could have. I feel like Iguodala and Thad have the opportunity to grow uo together like MJ &amp; Pip or Stockton &amp; Malone, not saying skill wise (but I hope so) but I&#8217;m saying when you think of one guy you automatically think of the other.</p>
<p>bball &#8211; Monta Ellis now has the chance to see if he can be  &#8220;the man&#8221; or not. Let&#8217;s see if his numbers hold up (especially the FG%).</p>
<p>As much as I like Iggy, he is not worth $80M at this point of his career. And neither is Deng. Buy if Arenas can get $111M then anything&#8217;s possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luol Deng&#039;s contract is worth upwards of 80 million with incentives.  Just to add that.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1081178,CST-SPT-bull30.article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luol Deng&#8217;s contract is worth upwards of 80 million with incentives.  Just to add that.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1081178,CST-SPT-bull30.article" rel="nofollow">http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1081178,CST-SPT-bull30.article</a></p>
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		<title>By: bball</title>
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		<dc:creator>bball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen Ellis play too much and was just going on the numbers. Offensively he topped Iggy in almost all categories and is 2 years younger which makes you think he will get better during the length of the contract. The dude averaged 20 ppg on 53% shooting at 22 yrs old. Can&#039;t be that bad. Iggy shot 8% worse than him so Ellis has got to be a really bad defender to make up for that difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen Ellis play too much and was just going on the numbers. Offensively he topped Iggy in almost all categories and is 2 years younger which makes you think he will get better during the length of the contract. The dude averaged 20 ppg on 53% shooting at 22 yrs old. Can&#8217;t be that bad. Iggy shot 8% worse than him so Ellis has got to be a really bad defender to make up for that difference.</p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUEDE:  It would surprise me if resentment isn&#039;t playing at least some small part in Iguodala&#039;s negotiations.  The same goes for Louis Williams as well, but I don&#039;t think it is a major sticking point.  I would hope that any resentment Iguodala does feel is directed at the team, rather than at Young, because all the players are in the same boat as far as trying to make their way in the league as best they can.

  I think resentment, feeling disrespected, or whatever you want to call it is almost unavoidable because the entire process is adversarial.  The player is trying to build himself up and show how he is better than others out there in order to get max dollars.  Meanwhile, management counters by producing evidence to show that he is not worth what he is asking for and trying to keep his salary as low as possible.  Even though everyone knows that&#039;s how the game is played, it still must be difficult to keep it from getting personal.  I mean, you&#039;re not haggling over a car, you are negotiating over yourself, which is the very definition of personal.   

Regardless of the sport, ownership and management has the upper hand so, as a player, you are always fighting an uphill battle.  That being said, I can understand the difficulties from management&#039;s perspective.  Is Iguodala as valuable as we think he is?  Our very own Dannie has labeled Lou Williams as a core chemistry player, but nothing that can&#039;t be replaced.  Unless you are talking about a Kobe or a LeBron, it has to be very difficult to assess what a player brings.  Is he truly good in and of himself to the point where he makes his teammates better?  Or does he look better than he really is because of who he is playing with?  In many cases it must be very difficult to tease out who fits in what category and therefore who is worth paying and keeping and who is replaceable.

Speaking of teasing out a player&#039;s true value to a team puts me in mind of the Pistons.  If you pulled any one of their starting five out and placed them on another team,  I wouldn&#039;t see that player being the clear #1, unquestioned leader of that team, regardless of who you selected.  I realize that Ben Wallace isn&#039;t phenomenal, but he did a heck of a lot more for the Pistons than he has done for the Bulls.  The Pistons have very good players that have blended into a fantastic team.  They all help each other to be better than any of them could be individually.  If the Pistons start to dismantle, I think teams will end up over paying for each individual player based on that.

What about us?  You mentioned Iguodala and Young.  Does Iguodala make Young look better than he really is, does Young make Iguodala look better, or do they help each other equally?  Even if Iguodala makes Young look better (which I think he does) now, do we see something in Young that tells us he will be more valuable than Iguodala in the near future so he&#039;s the one we should focus on keeping?  Again the same goes for Lou.  Is he really just a replaceable player or is he more valuable to us than he would be to another team?  There are lots of questions swirling around that make for very interesting discussions.

I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve just gotten a lot more than you expected when you asked your questions.  Next time be more careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUEDE:  It would surprise me if resentment isn&#8217;t playing at least some small part in Iguodala&#8217;s negotiations.  The same goes for Louis Williams as well, but I don&#8217;t think it is a major sticking point.  I would hope that any resentment Iguodala does feel is directed at the team, rather than at Young, because all the players are in the same boat as far as trying to make their way in the league as best they can.</p>
<p>  I think resentment, feeling disrespected, or whatever you want to call it is almost unavoidable because the entire process is adversarial.  The player is trying to build himself up and show how he is better than others out there in order to get max dollars.  Meanwhile, management counters by producing evidence to show that he is not worth what he is asking for and trying to keep his salary as low as possible.  Even though everyone knows that&#8217;s how the game is played, it still must be difficult to keep it from getting personal.  I mean, you&#8217;re not haggling over a car, you are negotiating over yourself, which is the very definition of personal.   </p>
<p>Regardless of the sport, ownership and management has the upper hand so, as a player, you are always fighting an uphill battle.  That being said, I can understand the difficulties from management&#8217;s perspective.  Is Iguodala as valuable as we think he is?  Our very own Dannie has labeled Lou Williams as a core chemistry player, but nothing that can&#8217;t be replaced.  Unless you are talking about a Kobe or a LeBron, it has to be very difficult to assess what a player brings.  Is he truly good in and of himself to the point where he makes his teammates better?  Or does he look better than he really is because of who he is playing with?  In many cases it must be very difficult to tease out who fits in what category and therefore who is worth paying and keeping and who is replaceable.</p>
<p>Speaking of teasing out a player&#8217;s true value to a team puts me in mind of the Pistons.  If you pulled any one of their starting five out and placed them on another team,  I wouldn&#8217;t see that player being the clear #1, unquestioned leader of that team, regardless of who you selected.  I realize that Ben Wallace isn&#8217;t phenomenal, but he did a heck of a lot more for the Pistons than he has done for the Bulls.  The Pistons have very good players that have blended into a fantastic team.  They all help each other to be better than any of them could be individually.  If the Pistons start to dismantle, I think teams will end up over paying for each individual player based on that.</p>
<p>What about us?  You mentioned Iguodala and Young.  Does Iguodala make Young look better than he really is, does Young make Iguodala look better, or do they help each other equally?  Even if Iguodala makes Young look better (which I think he does) now, do we see something in Young that tells us he will be more valuable than Iguodala in the near future so he&#8217;s the one we should focus on keeping?  Again the same goes for Lou.  Is he really just a replaceable player or is he more valuable to us than he would be to another team?  There are lots of questions swirling around that make for very interesting discussions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve just gotten a lot more than you expected when you asked your questions.  Next time be more careful.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive also heard a few people say things about going back after Iverson next year. That would be a horrible move. He&#039;s getting old (not slowing down a bit though), huge contract and I&#039;m talking bout PRACTICE. Don&#039;t get me wrong I am a huge supporter (cried when he came back last year, no homo!), I started watching the sixers his rookie year and haven&#039;t stopped. Probably the greatest 6&#039; player in the history of the game, but I think he is better suited for an AND 1 money mix tape than a NBA championship. 

Sorry about the 4 posts in a row Dannie, and anyone else who reads them, got a little excited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive also heard a few people say things about going back after Iverson next year. That would be a horrible move. He&#8217;s getting old (not slowing down a bit though), huge contract and I&#8217;m talking bout PRACTICE. Don&#8217;t get me wrong I am a huge supporter (cried when he came back last year, no homo!), I started watching the sixers his rookie year and haven&#8217;t stopped. Probably the greatest 6&#8242; player in the history of the game, but I think he is better suited for an AND 1 money mix tape than a NBA championship. </p>
<p>Sorry about the 4 posts in a row Dannie, and anyone else who reads them, got a little excited.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me make sure, you&#039;re talking about MONTA ELLIS right? I could be wrong, maybe kobe married a dude and took his name, kobe bryant ellis or Lebron james ellis or something. there is no way you meant MONTA ELLIS, did you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me make sure, you&#8217;re talking about MONTA ELLIS right? I could be wrong, maybe kobe married a dude and took his name, kobe bryant ellis or Lebron james ellis or something. there is no way you meant MONTA ELLIS, did you?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im distraught...Ellis better than IGG, you kidding me right now? 

Madness it is, just madness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im distraught&#8230;Ellis better than IGG, you kidding me right now? </p>
<p>Madness it is, just madness</p>
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