Comments on: Is Donovan McNabb a Hall-of-Famer? http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/ Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers & Phillies fans Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:37:33 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: eaglesfan10 http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-28287 eaglesfan10 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:18:20 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-28287 mcnabb is truly one of the best but so many people are going to say what did mcnabb do he doesnt have a ring.. well other than t.o and desean jackson he has not had any wr... kevin curtis, todd pinkston, reggie brown, L.J smith. think about it if any other QB in the league had those wrs they would suck but not mcnabb, mcnabb is truly one of the best mcnabb is truly one of the best but so many people are going to say what did mcnabb do he doesnt have a ring.. well other than t.o and desean jackson he has not had any wr… kevin curtis, todd pinkston, reggie brown, L.J smith. think about it if any other QB in the league had those wrs they would suck but not mcnabb, mcnabb is truly one of the best

]]> By: Alex http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-11023 Alex Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:57:48 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-11023 Pete Great article.  I have some thoughts on my own, but I'll link you on the site.  Very well done, and I'm with you that McNabb has earned it. Pete

Great article.  I have some thoughts on my own, but I’ll link you on the site.  Very well done, and I’m with you that McNabb has earned it.

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-11003 jjg Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:14:36 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-11003 No, but I think he'd make a great mailman.  Does things with regularity. No, but I think he’d make a great mailman.  Does things with regularity.

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-10956 jjg Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:48:33 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-10956 Pete:  I think you and Dannie do great work with your blog.  But in reply to your post #38 points:          1.  simple argument credibility damage by <em><strong>posturing</strong></em> <em><strong>your stated guess</strong></em> <em>into argumentative recap <strong>as fact</strong></em>; fact + fiction = fiction.  As to no one else having a problem - thinking (and responding) is an individual science; "mob perspective" (by default or your assumption), as history proves, isn't necessarily correct.      2.  Holt, Bruce, Fitzgerald, Bolden - fine, impact receivers, yes.  But not as impactful without good QB reads and well-timed throws, with touch.  The QB-wideout equation works both ways. Finally, I agree that there is no point in extending our McNabb argument - at least today.  Using a broad brush to summarize, you think he is a great QB and HOF-worthy.  I think he is good QB who hasn't earned football immortality.  So be it.      Pete:  I think you and Dannie do great work with your blog.  But in reply to your post #38 points:
   
     1.  simple argument credibility damage by posturing your stated guess into argumentative recap as fact; fact + fiction = fiction.  As to no one else having a problem – thinking (and responding) is an individual science; “mob perspective” (by default or your assumption), as history proves, isn’t necessarily correct.
    
2.  Holt, Bruce, Fitzgerald, Bolden – fine, impact receivers, yes.  But not as impactful without good QB reads and well-timed throws, with touch.  The QB-wideout equation works both ways.

Finally, I agree that there is no point in extending our McNabb argument – at least today.  Using a broad brush to summarize, you think he is a great QB and HOF-worthy.  I think he is good QB who hasn’t earned football immortality.  So be it.
    

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-10922 Pete Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:46:49 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-10922 bball- <div> </div> <div>most of the voters are from outside philly, and most people outside philly think our city is crazy for not universally loving mcnabb. so I actually think the opposite will happen in that voters will looks at his body of work, not specific instances. </div> <div> </div> <div>jjg-</div> <div> </div> <div>i know there is no point in arguing, but, 2 things...</div> <div> </div> <div>1. im not sure how me guessing on rushing yards, and <span style="font-style: italic;">informing the reader </span>I was guessing on rushing yards, could cast any doubt that the other stats are true. No one else seemed to have this problem. </div> <div> </div> <div>2. As you've said, a QB is just part of a team. And Kurt Warner has certainly enjoyed having Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on his team. All potentital HOFers and all performed at the same level w/o Warner, so he is likely more a product of them than they are of him. Not exactly James Thrash, Todd Pinkston and Fred-Ex.</div> bball-

most of the voters are from outside philly, and most people outside philly think our city is crazy for not universally loving mcnabb. so I actually think the opposite will happen in that voters will looks at his body of work, not specific instances. 
jjg-
i know there is no point in arguing, but, 2 things…
1. im not sure how me guessing on rushing yards, and informing the reader I was guessing on rushing yards, could cast any doubt that the other stats are true. No one else seemed to have this problem. 
2. As you’ve said, a QB is just part of a team. And Kurt Warner has certainly enjoyed having Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin on his team. All potentital HOFers and all performed at the same level w/o Warner, so he is likely more a product of them than they are of him. Not exactly James Thrash, Todd Pinkston and Fred-Ex.
]]> By: bball http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-10921 bball Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:35:47 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-10921 I think Pete's analysis is dead on and agree with his conclusions.  But the people who vote for this WIIL NOT take that much time to look at the stats.  As Pete said, he was surprised to see how highly McNabb ranked in the all time stats.  I think the voters will be lazy and remember the puking, benching, 3 picks in the Carolina game and not vote him in.  I totally disagree and think he should be in the HOF, but I don't get a vote.  If we win this week his chances improve because of the playoff wins and Super Bowl apperances.  If we win the Super Bowl then all will be forgiven and forgotten, and he'll be a surefire HOFer. I think Pete’s analysis is dead on and agree with his conclusions.  But the people who vote for this WIIL NOT take that much time to look at the stats.  As Pete said, he was surprised to see how highly McNabb ranked in the all time stats.  I think the voters will be lazy and remember the puking, benching, 3 picks in the Carolina game and not vote him in.  I totally disagree and think he should be in the HOF, but I don’t get a vote.  If we win this week his chances improve because of the playoff wins and Super Bowl apperances.  If we win the Super Bowl then all will be forgiven and forgotten, and he’ll be a surefire HOFer.

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-10918 jjg Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:42:56 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-10918 statistical comparison of today's starting QBs, career playoff totals: <strong>DM</strong>  14 gms  294-493 (59.6%)  3147 yds (6.4)  20 TD  15 int  79.2 rating <strong>KW</strong>    9 gms  209-332 (63.0%)  2712 yds (8.2)  19 TD   12 int 92.6  rating   statistical comparison of today’s starting QBs, career playoff totals:

DM  14 gms  294-493 (59.6%)  3147 yds (6.4)  20 TD  15 int  79.2 rating

KW    9 gms  209-332 (63.0%)  2712 yds (8.2)  19 TD   12 int 92.6  rating
 

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-10906 jjg Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:28:17 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-10906 Newly-conceived product of jjg research inc. Newly-conceived product of jjg research inc.

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-10905 jjg Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:23:54 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-10905 Slight quibble on "[it] doesn't really change the argument much."  The argument doesn't change, but your presentation of facts changes from true to false, casting doubt over the other facts that you assert to support your position. Slight quibble on “[it] doesn’t really change the argument much.”  The argument doesn’t change, but your presentation of facts changes from true to false, casting doubt over the other facts that you assert to support your position.

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/is-donovan-mcnabb-a-hall-of-famer/#comment-10904 Pete Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:22:35 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3726#comment-10904 ha! <div> </div> <div>where did you find those stats? I couldn't find them anywhere and just gave up. </div> ha!

where did you find those stats? I couldn’t find them anywhere and just gave up. 
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