Jordan and the Sixers didn’t disappoint. We are up to 10 in a row and counting. Before I get to some observations from the game on the court, let’s talk about Iverson’s impact for a sec.
If nothing comes out of this but more fans at home games, it’s a win for everyone. Sold out crowd of 20,664 provided for plenty of energy for the players to feed off of. And they did for about 2 and a half quarters.
Iverson looked out of shape, slow and gun shy, unsure if he should attack, shoot or just distribute. He missed two easy lay-ups with his strong hand and passed up on another in the first few minutes. When he finally got a tip in lay-up the crowd erupted, but that was a mini eruption compared to when he made his first jumper from the corner.
A couple things stood out. Iverson can, and I believe will, help this team win games. IF he plays the right role AND can get back in shape and gain back a bit of his quickness. He had a hard time turning the corner cleanly on drives which is something we as Sixers fans aren’t use to seeing from him. I think he could rack up assists and good scoring numbers if he plays at a level pace and limited role. Will he do it? Maybe, maybe not. I think we will know that better once he gets used to being back and his conditioning catches up to his will.
“Myself, from the circumstances of not having been out there on the basketball court for a month, just having one day of practice and tying to learn everything on the fly, and playing that many minutes [38] after not playing at all, I’m proud of myself. I did the best I could. My heart said yeah, but my body said no. My legs were weak, my arms were weak, I was telling my teammates on one play I wanted to go baseline, I seen the opening, and my heart said yeah and my legs said no, and I just couldn’t do it. So it’s going to take some time” ~ Allen Iverson
I do think his talent doesn’t quite fit this roster. We won’t have enough reliable jump shooters on the floor with him to maximize of his penetration and kick ability while also masking his individual defensive struggles. I do think that won’t be as big an issue when Speights returns and if Thad continues shooting well in spot-up situations.
I will say this even though, he didn’t do too much just his presence made the game feel different (read: more enjoyable).
Haven’t been to a game with this much energy in the building since, umm, still thinking, well I’ll just get back to you on that one.
Iguodala came out jacking horrible, contested perimeter jump shots but was on fire and wasn’t touching the rim on his ill-advised heaves early in the shot clock. He clearly had a “this is my team, and I will not be overshadowed” look on his face. That is, until those same bad shots stopped falling – as expected. Then he reverted to the disappointing salty face we are all accustomed to.
The front court dominated this game. Brand and Sammy combined for 28 boards, 8 blocks and 18 points on 9-19 shooting. If not for their play, this game would have had a much different feel early on.
Chauncey freakin’ Billups. I knew there was a reason I really liked this guy as a player. Forget the fact that he dominated this game in every way while his young star was pouting all game.
He had a VERY clear agenda for this game: I am not letting Allen Iverson get off – period. He was in straight locked down mode to start the game. He was all over Iverson with ball pressure and denying him the ball all over the floor. He didn’t want to Iverson to feel comfortable, get hot and have the crowd be a major factor in this game by provided energy to the rest of the team. On top of that he finished the game with 31 points, 8 boards 8 dimes on 15 shot attempts, 11-11 from the line and only 2 turnovers.
At the end of the day we lost this game because of three reasons:
- Hot early shooting lead to too many jumpers throughout the game and therefore not enough free throw attempts
- The bench is filled with trash players and provided 2 points on 1-15 shooting and no defense or rebounding
- The coach is still a buffoon
The first two are self explanatory. But I just want to touch on the coaching a bit.
First off Jordan was pretty much forced into playing the big line-up tonight with Iverson starting. That was a blessing because the bigs played great together. Besides that Eddie Jordan had nothing to do with the positive play the Sixers had in this game. It was based on pure energy and adrenaline that carried them through two and a half quarters.
Jordan killed it in three ways…
1. He made no adjustments offensively when Denver started doubling all ball screens. He continued to run side ball screens all game, and Denver trapped those and forced the ball handler back towards half court. The pass out of that double was slow and passive. He didn’t put anything together to combat it and started to force bad shots up against the clock in the second half.
2. He played too much “you don’t have to move” match-up zone. Denver was ice cold for nearly three quarters. The fourth they got hot. But it wasn’t hard since they were getting wide open looks because of the zone. I mean they were getting wide open looks on simple side-to-side passes at the top of the arc. With the way Sam and Elton were defending and rebounding playing zone took them out of the game. The defense should have been funneling them towards shot blockers and taking away the three as to make the game a 2s vs. 2s game.
3. He did a poor job of mixing his line-ups with starters and reserves as well as putting a team on the floor that had zero strength to rely on (defense, shooting, offense, energy etc.). He just put a straight up scrub line-up on the floor to piss away a lead and give Denver some confidence and momentum.
Great game to be at, I enjoyed it. To bad the chances of this team actually winning a game against anyone are next to zero with the way Jordan dictates their play.
Oh yeah the last time the building felt like that was Iverson’s first game back when he played for the Nuggets.










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You surprised me, no mention of Ty, who helped A.I. look slower than he really was. Billups is amazing and before C.Paul he had to be the best p.g. in the league, apologies to J.Kidd. After watching some video of Wall, I hate to say it but I sort of hope the games are exciting but we lose in the end. Getting rid of this coach and getting a top 5 pick are my priorities right now because I really feel our team is a good coach and stud player away from competing. Thad has rebounded better, Elton seems to at least be a 15 and 9 level p.f. and we may have a pretty good p.g. in Holliday. Elton may benefit from A.I.!s and more importantly a true p.g.!s presence. Wall looks like a mix of Koby, long arms, and Wade, explosiveness.
I left Ty out on purpose for more of a in the comments discussion. Had Jrue played I would have made a point to watch for and comment on that match-up specifically.
Ty looked like he always looks to me. He is a solid point guard. Doesn’t make many mistakes. Is super quick and likes to attack the rim. He has been shooting the three extremely well this season too.
He could be a 15ppg, 8 assists, 4-5 boards, 2-3 steals and 2 turnover point guard in this league no doubt about it.
Wall is like Derrick rose but more athletic, quicker, more explosive and longer.
He didn’t shoot from the perimeter much in the UNC game and I think that is his weakness. But in terms of passing and driving he is the best in the country. He isn’t has heady as a Paul was when he came out though. The trend for point guard lately has been more athletic than heady. I prefer heady with some athleticism than the other way around.
I missed the Carolina game, work, but plan on watching him against U.Conn. tommorrow night. He and Holliday would look pretty good to me. Dannie, it would be real sad if A.I. saves our coaches job, wouldn!t it?
I still can!t see why Lawson dropped so much in the draft. Even at #2, a Lawson / Mayo backcourt works and Flynn going over him is a joke to me because they are the same size. E.S.!s reasoning of putting a big p.g. next to L.Will. better not come back to bite him in the ass, or was it to put a big p.g. next to A.I. , just kiddin.
Suede - I doubt that happens. But I also doubt Eddie Jordan’s job is in jeopardy. He lost 10 in a row and we haven’t heard one rumor that he is on the chopping block unless a win comes soon.
When New Jersey was getting close to breaking the record it was almost inevitable and the rumors where plentiful. Haven’t heard a murmur about Jordan’s job security.
Disturbing.
umm…. why does EJ sub the ENTIRE LINEUP OUT AT ONCE? then put in a lineup of Ivey, Bill Green, Carney, Jason Smith and whoever else was in (i forget). How dumb of a lineup is that? I can even see that there are no potential scorers in that lineup besides Billie Green, who can only get going if he shoots the ball a million times in warm-ups then starts jacking them up the second the game starts. This team makes me want to hang from my ceiling fan.
It may just be me but….
In 10 straight losses, the problems a ball club is having clearly become more than just problems. They are starting to make winning impossible. The way we play defense and the way we allow other teams shoot the 3 has to be the number one reason we are losing. We’ve always had inconsistant rebounding and shooting. And we’ve always had piss poor perimeter Defense. But it is much worse this year and a simple “We have to get better” remark from EJ after the game isn’t going to cut it.
Oh really? You have to get better? Isn’t that great. We have a coach that thinks we have to improve upon the worst defensive strategy in the enitre league. Real charming. I ask this to Mr. Jordan. How do you go about fixing this problem? Actions speak louder than words and we aren’t going to win a game until he figures it out.
(sorry but I am done with sitting here watching the other team rain down three pointers to kill any momentum and energy the crowd gave us last night).
About those 3-pointers …
My story for today is on the Sixers’ dreadful defense. beyond the arc. Did some research and the Sixers are on pace to allow the most 3-pointers in NBA history (691, breaking the old record by Jordan’s 2007-08 Wizards) and opponents shooting 42.0 percent beyond the arc would be another single-season record. Link is below.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/117/2009/december/09/its-raining-threes-2.html
Adam – Jordan even had a play that was a designed post up for Royal Ivey. No idea what this dude is thinking – ever.
Tom – Forget the three pointers we know this, it’s become a running joke at this point.
With the access you have I would focus your attention on where Eddie Jordan’s job security is right now. 10 losses in a row, 3 games out of the basement in not only the East but the entire NBA. What are you hearing regarding his status? Is he on the hot seat?
I am beyond disturbed that there has been absolutely NOTHING regarding Jordan being on the hot seat.
Is he giving him a longer lease because Speights and Lou are hurt? Does Stefanski just plan to ride this out? Does Stefanski not clearly see that right now the biggest problem is the head coach?
Oh here is a question for Stefanski as a GM and perceived “basketball guy” is he more focused on offense or defense? Basically is he in line with the type of thinking and strategizing Eddie Jordan has displayed?
Why isn’t anyone in the media asking these questions? Why isn’t anyone in the media not 1. asking Jordan if he heard anything about being fired and 2. asked Stefanski about Jordan’s job security?
There should be only one topic of discussion: What is Eddie Jordan’s job status? If he isn’t on the hot seat – why the hell not? Stefanski has said many times it’s about performance and this is the worst performance the team has been at in many years, with no sign that things are improving.
I feel like both these dudes are getting a free pass in this town by the people with access to actually hold them to the fire and quite frankly it’s pissing me off.
Dannie, as you have pointed out before, ES is not really in any position to fire EJ.
ES has made 2 huge moves- getting EB and EJ. He is already shopping Brand. He can’t go to ownership telling them that both of his major moves have hurt the team’s future… He would be basically offering his resignation.
So looking at the future- the Sixers 2 biggest problems are not hold overs from BK, but ES’s biggest moves? What a mess- and I actually think ES could be a good GM… but I thought the same about BK for a while.
Agreed. Firing Jordan would be an indictment of Stefanski, too.
Tom Moore, Liked your report. However, shoudn’t “startling difference” between Sixers & next-to-last Grizz be 3.4, not 8.1?
Once more, sage Iggy of Sixer lowlands: “Some of our young guys tend to go for plays that aren’t really there, trying to hit a home run instead of getting a single and a stop.” He must have forgotten Durant’s wing to baseline drive to Thunder dunk past his nearly stationary “defending” self (including a cameo by a late arriving, useless Dalembert)? True leadership starts with self-accountability. “Probably best all-around defender”assessment (of team allowing 102 pg) is nearly akin to Fred Carter mantel of 9-73 Sixers’ “MVP.”
“Designed post-up” thinking: easy – 5′11″ Ty Lawson on 6′3″ Royal Ivey. In a drought you try any perceived well.
I never liked BK or thought he was a bright basketball guy.
ES I didn’t know much about but thought anyone had to be better than King. That assumption may prove to be a bad one.
But like I said in my fire EJ post I want to know the hierarchy of basketball decision makers.
ES is President and GM. Peter Luukko is COO. These are the two guys at the top regarding basketball/player personnel decisions right?
I think in order for ES to save/buy some extra time with his job he must fire EJ or else this team will remain one of, if not THE worst team in the NBA by seasons end. that is the ultimate indictment of Stefanski as the GM – more so than admitting the Jordan hire was a mistake. Also factoring in their payroll situation and poor attendance that would warrant Luukko and Snider to deciding to clean house based purely on results.
The only way ES should be able to keep his job is if he makes a move that salvages this season and shows that there is some promise for this team while under his control.
The Iverson deal might do it but I doubt it. I think the coaching problem is above all else at this point and unless you bring in an in-his-prime star, results will continue as they are under Eddie Jordan.
Wouldn’t not making a move because it would suggest he made a mistake that allows the team to continue be one of the bottom 3 clubs in the league also be offering his resignation?
I hear what you are saying about him and making a move that would suggest his two big moves were mistakes but, hey that’s part of being a good GM in my opinion. You aren’t always going to get it right. How to react and respond to your mistakes say a lot about your as a leader:
Allowing the team to continue to suck because you don’t want to admit a mistake is a bitch move and warrants immediate dismissal anyway.
Also firing Jordan because results have been absolutely horrible,while it does speak to Stefanski’s judgment it might speak more to how poor a coach Eddie Jordan is and one could argue that outcome was completely unexpected. But while no one could have predicted he would be this bad, he is and that doesn’t earn him more time on our sideline.
Also, I actually think the Iverson deal helps ES fire Eddie Jordan. Iverson fills one of the key spots missing due to injury. If say they lose 7 of 10 (at least) in Iverson’s first 10 games and he plays relatively well doesn’t that suggest Jordan wouldn’t be winning even if Lou was playing? And therefore that extra rope he gets because of injured players becomes diminished?
It is an indictment and they both should go. Unlikely, but the least we should be able to expect is to have a few journalists pick them apart a little bit.
The 5-16 record and misshapen team indicts both Jordan & Stefanski.
Bargain basement signings leads to a bargain basement team. Brezec, Carney, Ivey. Those are our free agent signings prior to Iverson. Those 3 guys are NBDL players at best. Brezec was out of the NBA altogether prior to his signing. I’ll give credit for the Kapono trade but if its about him then this teams off season aquisitions was the worse ever. ES and EJ signings are an indictment on the Sixers organization.
Believe my story says “a startling difference of 8.1 percent.”
For what it’s worth, according to Ed Snider (for recent public consumption), he trustingly leaves all basketball decisions in the hands of Ed Stefanski.
The 10-13th men don’t bother me. If you need to rely on those guys you are already in trouble.
Iguodala’s defense also does not bother me. He description of the over-helping was more in line with the problem then anything we have heard from EJ. I’m not a fan of Iguodala’s whining ways, but I do think he is a good defender on most nights.
As for Dannie’s comments, it hard for me to argue with MLK. I’d love to be able to have a response ready quoting Gandhi or John wooden, but I’m to beat down to raise my game.
And I butcher the english language with my poor grammar (to->too), so would likely misquote someone.
Tom, It does indeed say that. But the difference between 42.0 % unsuccessful defending of the 3 and 38.6 unsuccessful defending of the 3 is 3.4 %. 8.1 reference confounds me. Maybe I’m missing something; if I am, please clarify.
If you know basic statistics…
Brian and Depressedfan pointed out the Sixers are 2.5 standard deviations from the mean in 3pt% allowed. No other team is more than 1.5 SD worse than the norm.
That is like saying their 3pt defense is as bad compared to the rest of the league as Wilt or Shaq’s FT%.
Tom, Nevermind. By Sam, I’ve gotten it! The ambiguity of the term “difference” – as in subtraction’s result [my figuring], or distance of 2 points per ratio division process [your figuring] ? – boggled temporarily. For this reader’s clarity, “differential” would’ve been a crisper, less fuzzy word choice.
The larger idea of your article – Sixers’ disheveled/alarming 3 pt. D and its recordsetting direction – was well put on a foundation of facts.
I wonder what Stefanski’s criteria for making that decision of when to fire a coach, in this case, Eddie Jordan. Sure, offensively this team is interesting. Defensively, that is the issue!!
What do you guys think of Byron Scott if Eddie Jordan does get canned? He does the Princeton Offense as well, but I feel more comfortable with Bryon that I am with Jordan. Byron, at least believes in better rotations and using true point guards for the system.
Or would another opportunity come again for Tony DiLeo, who did a great job with the team despite that Game 6 debacle. Who other than Ratliff expressed any (some honest) ill-will towards DiLeo?
I think by late December to early January, we will get a better sense of who the coach will be. Let’s just wish for the best!
GO SIXERS!! GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK ALLEN!
I’ve said it once I will say it a again teams don’t hire outside head coaches in-season. You have to pay them and the dude that just got fired, it’s expensive. Not to mention and awkward interviewing process for a GM in-season.
And Rob I asked that question in length in this post…
The problem is none of the Philadelphia media who have access have the guts to ask the Stefanski (or Jordan) the tough questions about it.