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Jay Wright and Villanova: The Start of Something Big

by Pete

Villanova is off to a 6-0 start to their season. They are ranked 20th in the country. They are one of six teams, along with UNC, UCLA, West Virginia, Louisville and Memphis, to make the Sweet Sixteen in 3 of the last 4 years. Things are good on the Main Line, but there is a good chance they will get a lot better. In fact, probably better than people in the area realize.

The team Jay Wright has right now, combined with the players he has committed to him for 2009 and 2010, has more talent than any other team in the Big East, and arguably any other team in the nation aside from North Carolina and Duke. Better than big east powerhouses UConn, Louisville, Georgetown and Syracuse, better than national powerhouses Kansas, UCLA and Michigan St. and right on par with recent Final Four participants Florida, Texas and Memphis.

Of course, I can’t just come out and say this an expect people to take it seriously. So, let’s look at the team Jay Wright has assembled, and the players he has coming in and compare them to the rest of the Big East and the nation.

For those who don’t follow recruiting, basketball recruits are generally catergorized by stars. A 5-star recruit is someone who would have likely considered going pro had the NBA age-limit not been put in place. Only 25 players are given this rating every year. A 4-star player usually will be an above average player with a chance to be star at a big conference school. There are 75 of these players every year. A 3-star player is someone who likely can do something well (shoot, rebound, etc…), but needs some development to make an impact in college. There are a couple hundred of these players every year. Everyone else falls into the 2-star category. These are usually players recruited by mid-majors.

Obviously players can underachieve or overachieve once they reach college, but the teams with the most talent, more often than not, tend to be the ones cutting down the nets in March. Let’s look at what kind of talent Villanova is looking at for the next couple years (i.e., everyone but the seniors). Star ratings are taken from Rivals.com.

One Year of Eligibility Left

G Scottie Reynolds, Jr.    
G/F Reggie Redding, Jr.   
F/C Casiem Drummond, Jr.    

Two Years of Eligibility Left

F Antonio Pena, Redshirt So.   
G Corey Fisher, So.   
G Corey Stokes, So.   

Three Years of Eligibility Left

G/F Taylor King, Redshirt Fr.   

Four Years of Eligibility Left

F/C Maurice Sutton, Redshirt Fr.    
G Maalik Wayns, HS Sr.,   
F Mouphtaou Yarou, HS Sr.,   
F Isaiah Armwood, HS Sr.,   
G James Bell, HS Jr.,   

So the 12 players that Nova has committed to play for them for 2009 and beyond have an average of 4.08 stars. Their 2009 freshman class (Wayns, Yarou and Armwood) is currently ranked as the 3rd best class in the country and Nova is a finalist for 5-star shooting guard Dominic Cheek as well. If Cheek commits, they would likely have the #1 overall class. 

I claimed earlier that Nova had more talent for the future than any other Big East squad. I said this because I did this analysis for every single Big East team, and the results are as follows:

You could argue that Louisville, with 11 4-5 star players has more talent, but they have a headstart on the 2010 class (3 players committed already) and will likely have more players than Nova leaving early for the NBA.

How about the non-conference teams I mentioned earlier? How does Nova’s talent match up?


As you can see, Villanova will soon have the talent to be considered one of top programs in the country. And unlike the Foye, Ray and Lowry squad, the upcoming teams will have more depth down low with Pena, Yarou, Armwood and Sutton. Yarou in particular is a player Nova has not had in years. He is a 6′9”, physical low-post scorer. Rivals.com has him listed as the 14th best prospect in the country, and says that he is the best pro prospect coming into the Big East next year. 

Even though a Big-5 team has reached the NCAA tournament in every year of it’s existance, the city has not seen a Final Four team since Villanova won the National Championship back in 1985. The upcoming Villanova squads will have a chance to change all that. Like the 2002 class of Foye, Ray, Sumpter and Fraser, the 2009 class of Wayns, Yarou, Armwood, and hopefully Cheek, is an elite group of talent. But, with the 2002 class, Fraser and Sumpter both were injured and they never played together at full strength. Hopefully, things will be different for this class. 

If Fisher and Stokes stay for 4 years, expect the 2010 Villanova squad to start the year off in the Top-5 and be a National Championship contender with this potential line-up:

G Corey Fisher, Sr.   
G Maalik Wayns, So.,   
G Corey Stokes, Sr.   
F Mouphtaou Yarou, So.,   
F Antonio Pena, Sr.   

Bench: G/F Taylor King, Jr. , F Isaiah Armwood, So., , F/C Maurice Sutton, So.

If that happens, it’s safe to say that this caliber of talent has never taken the floor for Villanova in the past. Foye, Ray and Sumpter were 4-stars, and Fraser and Lowry were 5-stars, but this team would look a lot more like the UNC and Florida teams that knocked them out. 

Jay Wright is quietly building a potential juggernaut on the Main Line. He’s proven he can develop talent, and that his teams will always play tough and be defensive minded. Now, he’s recruiting high-level talent with consistency and it looks like Nova will be up with UConn, Louisville, Georgetown, Pitt and Syracuse at the top of the Big East for some time to come. 

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December 1, 2008

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11.06.09 at 2:31 pm

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1 deepsixersuede 11.30.08 at 2:29 pm

Dannie, how do you rank Jay as a coach, conference wise ?

2 Pete 11.30.08 at 3:00 pm

deepsixer-

I know I haven’t written in awhile, but JEEZ, give me some credit here! Dannie is more of an ACC guy, but having gone to ND and growing up with Nova, I’m fairly obsessed with the Big East. 
Obviously, Wright can’t compare to the career acheivements of Calhoun, Boeheim and Pitino, but in terms of current coaching skills, getting the most out of their players, and recruiting, here is how I would rank Big East coaches:
1. Jim Calhoun
2. Rick Pitino
3. Jamie Dixon 
4. John Thompson II
5. Jay Wright
6. Jim Boeheim
7. Mike Brey
8. Bob Huggins
None of the other eight really distinguish themselves from the pack or are too new to really know. 
3 Dannie 11.30.08 at 3:48 pm

Pete – I would agree with that coaching assessment.  Of those recruits who is the elite, elite player on this team?  The guy(s) necessary to win a national championship.

4 deepsixersuede 11.30.08 at 3:57 pm

Pete, sorry about that. Both of you always give quality work that!s why I messed up.

5 Pete 11.30.08 at 4:41 pm

Dannie-

Of the incoming recruits, Yarou is probably to most heralded. Wayns is close, but he is a small PG and will likely play a Kyle Lowry (with a better shot) role on the team. 
If Cheek were to sign, I would say he immediately becomes the top recruit. 
I actually think the development of Corey Stokes and Yarou will be the most important to the team. Those are the 2 players that can develop their games to the point of being dominant. 
6 Dave T 11.30.08 at 5:33 pm

Pete – Great post…those charts comparing the different star recruits of each program was awesome.

I disagree a bit about the coaching order…but honestly, since those eight are all either Hall of Famers or future Hall of Famers, this is more just splitting hairs, and the Big East is on such a different stratosphere than any other conference it’s laughable.

To me, if we’re not talking about career retrospectives, but current best coaches, this year and of the past 3 or so, Jamie Dixon is the indisputable, clear cut #1.  Dixon, aside from being a great guy personality wise, and overcoming losing his sister the other year, has done more with less talent than almost every other coach on that list.  Not only has he filled Howland’s shoes…but he has every single Pitt team, no matter the make up, playing “the right way”.  

It’s like watching the Spurs…amazing fundamentals, they share the ball, no selfish BS, anywhere from very good to incredible team defense…these Pitt teams truly define the word “team basketball”.  I’m damn near in awe of the job Dixon’s done.  JTIII, Wright, Pitino, Huggins, Brey, this lineup is just absurd.  Says something about how good the BE is that freaking Jim Boeheim, one of the top coaches in the country on any level of the past 20 years, would be ranked 6th (totally agree with that btw…although I think Syracuse is a potential top 10 team that’s really being slept on…Onuaku = top 3 most underrated big men in the country).  I’d put Huggins a little higher as well.  I don’t have a lot of respect for him, but he can coach his ass off and gets everyone to buy into his system.

Also, for #’s 9-11, it would definitely be: Fred Hill, Mike Cronin, Bobby Gonzalaz.  Fred Hill has done a phenominal job rebuilding the near nonexistent Rutgers program into something respectable, and is starting to really use his Jersey connections to nab some nice recruits.  And Cronin, while it seems like 3/4’s of anyone involved with basketball can’t stand the guy and thinks he’s a jerkoff, has done a monster recruiting job given his situation and is getting some tough nosed play out of his teams.

It just kills me that any of the teams ranked 7-9 in the Big East would probably be in the top 1-3 of any other conference in the country.  

Dannie, I didn’t know you were an ACC guy…do you like the experience of Duke + Coach K, or the absurd mix of super soph and freshman talent of Wake Forest to take the #2 spot in their conference?  I’d rank them: UNC, Wake, Duke, Miami, V-Tech…probably Clemson and Maryland after that.

7 Dan 12.01.08 at 10:40 am

Dannie, I’m going to have to disagree with you about the incoming recruits. If Cheek were to sign, he’d be the 3rd most important behind Wayns and Mouph despite being ranked higher by the recruiting services. I’ve seen Wayns and Cheek play many times, and while I like Cheek a lot, Wayns could play 20 minutes a game for Nova right now! Also, to call him a smallish point guard is a little unfair as he’s a legit 6-1 and is very strong.

And I can’t agree with Jamie Dixon being the top coach in the Big East. If he could get Pitt out of the 2nd round of the tourney I maybe would give it to him. But as of right now, I’d go with JTIII, Pitino, Wright above him in no particular order.

8 J Dubbz 12.01.08 at 12:25 pm

Great post.  I would love to know how the past 3-5 years worth of 5 star recruits turned out.  Such as who they were and on a scale of 1-10 their impact in college basketball.

9 Pete 12.01.08 at 12:47 pm

jdubbz-

check out rivalshoops.com for their rankings.

as an example here are the 5 stars for 2006

2006 Rank Pos Ht/Wt Schools
1 Greg Oden
Indianapolis (IN) Lawrence North
C 7-0/240 Ohio State
Will be a dominating force from day one.
2 Kevin Durant
Suitland (MD) Montrose Christian
F 6-9/204 Texas
Scary skill set for player with his length.
3 Brandan Wright
Nashville (TN) Brentwood Academy
F 6-9/201 North Carolina
Tremendous shot blocker who is also skilled with the ball.
4 Chase Budinger
Carlsbad (CA) La Costa Canyon
F 6-7/190 Arizona
Athletic shooter with complete skill package.
5 Thaddeus Young
Memphis (TN) Mitchell
F 6-8/205 Georgia Tech
Versatile player who can put it on the floor and defend.
6 Spencer Hawes
Seattle (WA) Seattle Prep
C 6-11/245 Washington
Possesses a very polished post-up game.
7 Javaris Crittenton
Atlanta (GA) Southwest Atlanta Christian
G 6-4/195 Georgia Tech
Super size and talent at the point guard position.
8 Wayne Ellington
Merion Station (PA) Episcopal Academy
G 6-4/190 North Carolina
Terrific scoring guard with the talent to morph into a pro point guard.
9 Tywon Lawson
Clinton (MD) Oak Hill Academy
G 5-11/182 North Carolina
No one is faster with the ball.
10 Brook Lopez
Fresno (CA) San Joaquin Memorial
F 6-11/230 Stanford
Big defensive presence with an offensive skill set as well.
11 Gerald Henderson
Merion (PA) Episcopal Academy
G 6-5/210 Duke
A smooth and powerful athlete whose game is developing at rapid pace.
12 Paul Harris
Niagara Falls (NY) Notre Dame Prep (Mass.)
F 6-4/220 Syracuse
Intimidating competitor who hunts down the ball.
13 Daequan Cook
Dayton (OH) Dunbar
G 6-4/185 Ohio State
A lethal scorer from the wing.
14 Stanley Robinson
Birmingham (AL) Huffman
F 6-8/220 Connecticut
A versatile talent with NBA small forward size.
15 Davon Jefferson
Patterson (NC) Patterson School
F 6-7/190 Southern Cal
NBA-type talent who needs to refine and discipline his game.
16 Darrell Arthur
Dallas (TX) South Oak Cliff
F 6-9/220 Kansas
A sleeping giant who shows flashes of greatness.
17 Damion James
Nacogdoches (TX) Nacogdoches
F 6-8/225 Texas
A do-everything player with college ready strength.
18 Mike Conley
Indianapolis (IN) Lawrence North
G 6-1/170 Ohio State
Best pure point guard in the class.
19 Obi Muonelo
Edmond (OK) Santa Fe
G 6-4/215 Oklahoma State
A power guard who can hut the opposition in a number of ways.
20 Ramar Smith
Detroit (MI) Martin Luther King
G 6-1/181 Tennessee
Dynamic athlete with a motor for 94-foot basketball.
21 Sherron Collins
Chicago (IL) Crane
G 5-11/190 Kansas
Built like a brick with an athletic and exciting game.
22 Earl Clark
Rahway (NJ) Rahway
F 6-9/200 Louisville
Remarkable handler and passer for his size.
23 DaJuan Summers
Baltimore (MD) McDonough
F 6-8/225 Georgetown
Smooth athlete with a sweet stroke.
24 Brian Zoubek
Cherry Hill (NJ) Haddonfield Memorial
C 7-0/250 Duke
Rapidly improving big man with a refined post game.
25 Derrick Caracter
Elizabeth (NJ) St. Patrick
F 6-8/275 Louisville
A wide body with a highly-skilled game.
26 Duke Crews
Hampton (VA) Bethel
F 6-7/235 Tennessee
Relentless competitor in the paint on both ends of the court.
27 Curtis Kelly
New York (NY) Rice
F 6-7/236 Connecticut
Unorthodox lefty who is good with the ball.
28 Robin Lopez
Fresno (CA) San Joaquin Memorial
C 6-11/225 Stanford
Athletic shot blocker with developing post game.
29 Jon Kreft
Parkland (FL) Douglas
C 6-11/240 Junior College
Can do a lot of things well for a player his size.
30 Jason Bennett
Jacksonville (FL) Arlington Country Day
C 7-2/265 Kansas State
10 Dave T 12.01.08 at 3:24 pm

Looks like Davon Jefferson should have listened to Rivals.com’s suggestion.

11 Dan 12.01.08 at 4:44 pm

Drummond just announced his decision to transfer. I’ve been hearing some interesting things about him and the reasoning behind this.

12 Pete 12.01.08 at 6:03 pm

interesting about Drummond. 

makes sense I guess. He’s not seeing any time and would probably like to get a chance to play a la Malcolm Grant and Bilal Benn. 
13 Dave T 12.01.08 at 7:40 pm

Wow, didn’t see that coming with Drummond, that is interesting.  I haven’t seen Nova play yet…so much college hoops and NBA going on it’s hard to get to everything haha!  Has Wright gone with Pena at PF and Cunningham at C, with Shane Clark the first forward off the bench? 

Kinda a shame about Drummond, he really looked strong in a lot of games last year (when not injured) and showed some great glimpses of his potential.  But I’m all about any move that gets Pena more time, I feel he’s one of the most undertalked about bigs in the Big East.

14 John 12.01.08 at 11:22 pm

Good Lord – when did Episcopal get good at basketball?  Hell I went to Lower Merion in the late 80s – we all sucked at basketball – and football – it was about soccer and lacrosse.

15 Dan 12.02.08 at 10:32 am

I think the writing on the wall for Drumm was seen at the start of this year. This was never about minutes for the kid, as he’d get a minimum of 20 minutes when healthy. I’ve been told Drumm and the staff had major issues with each other, and that he missed practices/rehab sessions.

Pena and Dante have been the starters at PF and C. Pena has looked ok, while Dante looks like 1st team Big East. Hopefully Tone can put it together and quit trying to put the ball on the ground everytime he gets it down low before going up. He’d score another 6-8 ppg if he knocked that crap off.

Dwayne Anderson, when healthy, will be the first forward off the bench if they continue to start Scottie, Fish, Stokes, Pena, and Dante. He’ll be followed by Redding and Clark.

16 Pete 12.02.08 at 10:38 am

Dan-

Nice to see we’ve got a hardcore Nova fan around.

Dante has been amazing this year. Showing an array of post moves and a reliable jumper.

The staff has done a great job of developing him, and I’m sure he’s put in a great deal of hard work.

Pena is going to be very good. But he’s not there yet.

17 Dan 12.02.08 at 11:10 am

Pete -

I’ve been following since I was a little kid (Father went there and is a big fan) and am in grad school there. I actually went to LaSalle U for undergrad, as I couldn’t afford Nova, so I’m a huge Big 5 fan.

Agreed about Dante. We’ll see if he can keep it up when the Big East season starts. I hope so and think he can. I love the effort Dante, Dwayne, and even Reggie Redding put in when they’re on the court. They show the type of hustle that makes Wight’s Nova teams so dangerous every game.

And I also agree about Pena. He has a very high ceiling and if he can just put it together could be a bigger Jeff Adrian in my mind.

1 more thing about the loss of Drummond. I wonder if Aric Murray of Glenn Mills would have chosen LaSalle over Nova if he knew that Drummond would be around next year. Murray would have seen 20-30 minutes a game next year, even with Mouph there. He may have even started at the center position. Murray will be a 1st round pick very soon and potentially the best player in the city.

18 Dave T 12.02.08 at 11:46 am

Dan: Looks like I now have someone on Recliner GM to actively root against come Big 5 games!  Even though I grew up five minutes from Villanova, and spent my entire high school years sneaking into their gym to play, I’ve always been a huge St. Joe’s and Temple guy at heart. 

Unfortunately, with these recruiting classes Jay is bringing in, the talent gap in the Big 5 is widening by more than a smidgen. 

Interesting to hear about Cunningham, hopefully I can watch them soon.  I expected Pena to be the one to make the jump based on last year’s play.  If Dante is looking this good, he must have worked his butt off on his low post game in the offseason.  I do think, though, that Pena has the ability to big a very good PF on the national level if he gets the minutes and puts in the work to put his talent together. 

Anyone know when the first Big 5 games set in, or have I missed any already?

19 Dannie 12.02.08 at 12:11 pm

Nova’s Big 5 upcoming December sked

  • December 2nd – Penn
  • December 11th – Saint Joseph’s
  • December 14th – Lasalle
  • December 29 – Temple
20 Dan 12.02.08 at 1:17 pm

Dave T – I always enjoy talking hoops. Hopefully they’ll be more posts about college hoops and the big 5. I like Temple and Dumphy a lot. I can’t stand SJU (PA) at all because of that ridiculous “Perfect Season” Banner they have hanging. I respected the hell out of that team, but they did not have a perfect season. They lost to Xavier in the A-10 quarterfinal. Conference tournament games are considered regular season games. That entails no perfect season. Plus I’m not big on the fact that Nova is looked upon with raised noses by most of the city’s media while SJU is lauded.

21 Todd L. 12.05.08 at 12:44 pm

While I agree the future of Nova hoops appears bright, I disagree with using recruiting ranks as a predictor. Those rankings are nothing but subjective views of a few recruiting geeks. More important is how the players develop and whether the team develops chemistry. That can’t be measured with stars and can’t be predicted. I’m not saying I’m not excited about the future but we should be more guarded about predictions.

22 Pete 12.05.08 at 2:41 pm

Todd L. -

yes, recruiting rankings should always be taken with a grain of salt. not all 5-stars pan out, and many 3-stars become all-conference players.

However, with the exception of Pitt (who is just BARELY behind Rutgers and Cincy), the teams right after Nova on this list, are usually the best in the conference.

23 Aaron 12.08.08 at 12:15 am

As a junior at Villanova, it is almost surreal to think about the talent we have coming in the next few years on top of our current talent (which should not be overlooked). I really enjoyed reading this article, and I have to point out that Louisville did not do the 3 Sweet Sixteens in 4 years (they didn’t make the tournament in 2006 and they lost to Texas A&M in the 2nd round in 2007). Anyway, really enjoyed the article and it’s great to see everybody excited for the next era of Villanova basketball.

24 Jason 12.13.08 at 12:34 am

Pete,

Great article, LOVE it. And Cheek is a Cat. Look out, Big East!

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