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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Zack&lt;/strong&gt;....I will do my best to give you some quick responses, as I&#039;ve got to get out the door pretty soon (heading to the parents&#039; house for Christmas dinner).

First, what do I think about the Yankees signings.....Well, besides the fact that they make me sick, I think that they are going to eat a lot of money on these deals.  

Teixiera is the only one I can see giving them anywhere near the requisite level of production over the life of the deal to justify what they spent on him.  Even that is contingent upon what happens with the rest of the team.  There is no doubt that having guys like Jeter and A-Rod in the lineup will increase the production the Yankees get from Teixiera.  How long those guys (A-Rod and Jeter) remain in the lineup, if they maintain their level of production, or if their replacements duplicate what they brought will have a major impact on what they get from Teixiera, IMO.  I view Teixiera as a fine player, but not a guy that carries a team.  As such, you will get more from him when he is surrounded  by more.  At least that&#039;s my take.

As far as the pitchers, any contract over 3 or 4 years is ridiculous, IMO.  The Yankees know ther is no way on God&#039;s green earth they will get 8-years of 200+ innings and a 1.1 WHIP from Sabathia.  

I spoke about Burnett back when we were supposedly &quot;interested&quot; in him.  Burnett has only pitched more than 200 innings twice in his career (2002 and 2005).  Not coincidentally, he was injured in the following season each time.  Guess what?  Burnett pitched 221 1/3 innings last year, so where do you think he is headed.  Burnett will be Carl Pavano, the sequel.  

The thing that really bothers me about the Yankees signing these pitchers is that they know they will not get all the years out of them and they don&#039;t need to care because they can afford to eat the contracts.  Since almost nobody else can afford to take a financial hit like this, it pretty much eliminates every other team from ever landing a top of the rotation, free agent arm.  That&#039;s just not right.

1)  If Ryan Howard continues to put up the same numbers he has been, he is as good as gone from Philly.  The Phils have shown no inclination to sign him to the mega-deal he is seeking, and Howard has given no indication that he will lower his asking price.  My opinion has always been that the number of years he wants is the big hangup.  I would rather pay him more per year in exchange for a shorter deal, as I can&#039;t see us getting the same level of production from him over the life of an 8-year contract.

2)  If we are talking about today, Cole Hamels has no choice but to accept a deal worth less than Sabathia&#039;s.  Hamels made a name for himself this year and established himself as a big game pitcher in the postseason, but he only has two seasons under his belt and he just went over 200 innings for the first time this year.  By comparison, Sabathia has 8 seasons under his belt, has shown himself to be more of a workhorse with each passing season, and has a Cy Young to his name.  As of now, Hamels just doesn&#039;t stack up to Sabathia.  Now, depending on what He does through his arbitration years, Hamels could close the gap considerably.  In that case he probably would want, and get, a Sabathia-type deal.  One thing that is on our side, at least for now, is Hamels&#039; attitude about the big payday.  I posted a link to an interview with Hamels from a weekly column called &lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Answer-Man-Cole-Hamels-talks-pink-apes-Survivo?urn=mlb,102858&quot; title=&quot;Answer Man.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Answer Man. &lt;/a&gt; Check out the very last question and answer to see what I&#039;m talking about.

3) The Phils might have done well against those guys individually, but I think it gets a whole lot tougher when they are all on the same team.

4)  I&#039;ve always thought a salary cap was needed, but I found an article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=2149&quot; title=&quot;dugoutcentral.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dugoutcentral.com&lt;/a&gt; that might have changed my mind.  What do you think?

5)  I said more or less the same thing here a few baseball topics ago.  Here is what I said on December 9th:

Over the last few weeks I have read several times about the players&#039; union putting pressure on CC to take the highest offer and “set the market” for his fellow free agents (as opposed to taking less money to pitch somewhere he prefers).

I probably view this differently than most, but I don’t think this (a top level player taking the highest offer) is the biggest contributor to the continually escalating salaries we see.  Nolan Ryan becoming the first $1 million man or Kirby Puckett becoming the first $3 million man is ok with me.  In fact, if anybody gets that kind of precedent setting deal, it should be just this type of player who gets it.
I could be way off and this will probably sound counterintuitive, but I’ve always felt that the contracts given to the top level talents in the game actually place a ceiling on salaries, thereby holding down what the lesser talents can get.  I understand that the top level talents  jump over one another from one year to the next and, in the process, continue to raise the ceiling, but there is a small pool of these guys (much smaller than the less talented masses) so, again, I really don’t see this as the biggest issue.
On the contrary, I’ve always felt that huge deals given to mediocre (or worse) players are the primary cause of wildly escalating salaries and, as such, are far more damaging to the economic structure of the game.  When a decent player (and there are a lot of them) gets a major deal then everyone who is better than him is in line for a big raise at some point.  There is always some team that is either desperate or stupid enough to lay out big money for an average (or worse) player, especially a pitcher. Then the CC’s and Manny’s of the league show how much better they are comparatively and cash in.
Glad to hear from you again.  I hope I gave you what you were looking for.  Talk to you soon.  Merry Christmas, buddy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Zack</strong>&#8230;.I will do my best to give you some quick responses, as I&#8217;ve got to get out the door pretty soon (heading to the parents&#8217; house for Christmas dinner).</p>
<p>First, what do I think about the Yankees signings&#8230;..Well, besides the fact that they make me sick, I think that they are going to eat a lot of money on these deals.  </p>
<p>Teixiera is the only one I can see giving them anywhere near the requisite level of production over the life of the deal to justify what they spent on him.  Even that is contingent upon what happens with the rest of the team.  There is no doubt that having guys like Jeter and A-Rod in the lineup will increase the production the Yankees get from Teixiera.  How long those guys (A-Rod and Jeter) remain in the lineup, if they maintain their level of production, or if their replacements duplicate what they brought will have a major impact on what they get from Teixiera, IMO.  I view Teixiera as a fine player, but not a guy that carries a team.  As such, you will get more from him when he is surrounded  by more.  At least that&#8217;s my take.</p>
<p>As far as the pitchers, any contract over 3 or 4 years is ridiculous, IMO.  The Yankees know ther is no way on God&#8217;s green earth they will get 8-years of 200+ innings and a 1.1 WHIP from Sabathia.  </p>
<p>I spoke about Burnett back when we were supposedly &#8220;interested&#8221; in him.  Burnett has only pitched more than 200 innings twice in his career (2002 and 2005).  Not coincidentally, he was injured in the following season each time.  Guess what?  Burnett pitched 221 1/3 innings last year, so where do you think he is headed.  Burnett will be Carl Pavano, the sequel.  </p>
<p>The thing that really bothers me about the Yankees signing these pitchers is that they know they will not get all the years out of them and they don&#8217;t need to care because they can afford to eat the contracts.  Since almost nobody else can afford to take a financial hit like this, it pretty much eliminates every other team from ever landing a top of the rotation, free agent arm.  That&#8217;s just not right.</p>
<p>1)  If Ryan Howard continues to put up the same numbers he has been, he is as good as gone from Philly.  The Phils have shown no inclination to sign him to the mega-deal he is seeking, and Howard has given no indication that he will lower his asking price.  My opinion has always been that the number of years he wants is the big hangup.  I would rather pay him more per year in exchange for a shorter deal, as I can&#8217;t see us getting the same level of production from him over the life of an 8-year contract.</p>
<p>2)  If we are talking about today, Cole Hamels has no choice but to accept a deal worth less than Sabathia&#8217;s.  Hamels made a name for himself this year and established himself as a big game pitcher in the postseason, but he only has two seasons under his belt and he just went over 200 innings for the first time this year.  By comparison, Sabathia has 8 seasons under his belt, has shown himself to be more of a workhorse with each passing season, and has a Cy Young to his name.  As of now, Hamels just doesn&#8217;t stack up to Sabathia.  Now, depending on what He does through his arbitration years, Hamels could close the gap considerably.  In that case he probably would want, and get, a Sabathia-type deal.  One thing that is on our side, at least for now, is Hamels&#8217; attitude about the big payday.  I posted a link to an interview with Hamels from a weekly column called <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Answer-Man-Cole-Hamels-talks-pink-apes-Survivo?urn=mlb,102858" title="Answer Man." rel="nofollow">Answer Man. </a> Check out the very last question and answer to see what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>3) The Phils might have done well against those guys individually, but I think it gets a whole lot tougher when they are all on the same team.</p>
<p>4)  I&#8217;ve always thought a salary cap was needed, but I found an article on <a href="http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=2149" title="dugoutcentral.com" rel="nofollow">dugoutcentral.com</a> that might have changed my mind.  What do you think?</p>
<p>5)  I said more or less the same thing here a few baseball topics ago.  Here is what I said on December 9th:</p>
<p>Over the last few weeks I have read several times about the players&#8217; union putting pressure on CC to take the highest offer and “set the market” for his fellow free agents (as opposed to taking less money to pitch somewhere he prefers).</p>
<p>I probably view this differently than most, but I don’t think this (a top level player taking the highest offer) is the biggest contributor to the continually escalating salaries we see.  Nolan Ryan becoming the first $1 million man or Kirby Puckett becoming the first $3 million man is ok with me.  In fact, if anybody gets that kind of precedent setting deal, it should be just this type of player who gets it.<br />
I could be way off and this will probably sound counterintuitive, but I’ve always felt that the contracts given to the top level talents in the game actually place a ceiling on salaries, thereby holding down what the lesser talents can get.  I understand that the top level talents  jump over one another from one year to the next and, in the process, continue to raise the ceiling, but there is a small pool of these guys (much smaller than the less talented masses) so, again, I really don’t see this as the biggest issue.<br />
On the contrary, I’ve always felt that huge deals given to mediocre (or worse) players are the primary cause of wildly escalating salaries and, as such, are far more damaging to the economic structure of the game.  When a decent player (and there are a lot of them) gets a major deal then everyone who is better than him is in line for a big raise at some point.  There is always some team that is either desperate or stupid enough to lay out big money for an average (or worse) player, especially a pitcher. Then the CC’s and Manny’s of the league show how much better they are comparatively and cash in.<br />
Glad to hear from you again.  I hope I gave you what you were looking for.  Talk to you soon.  Merry Christmas, buddy.<br />
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		<title>By: Zack, for bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack, for bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bski, I liked your little Sixers&#039; composition.  I was actually thinking of writing one myself, but I&#039;m so full of hate for what&#039;s happened to the Sixers&#039; season that I&#039;ve decided to try and think about other things for the next couple of days, being that it&#039;s Christmas and everything.

I do have a writing request of you, as a baseball writer of sorts - what do you think of what the Yankees have done, in all aspects?  A few quick thoughts:

1. We could still lose Ryan Howard to them as a DH.
2. Will Cole Hamels accept a contract worth less than Sabathia&#039;s?
3. The Phils have done well against Sabathia, Burnett and Texeira, I like our changes against them in the World Series.
4. Is a salary cap for baseball needed?
5. I don&#039;t really think those guys set the market, because only the Yankees have that kind of money.  It&#039;s like a bunch of guys vying for the one high-paying job, but when someone gets that job everyone has to settle for less money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bski, I liked your little Sixers&#8217; composition.  I was actually thinking of writing one myself, but I&#8217;m so full of hate for what&#8217;s happened to the Sixers&#8217; season that I&#8217;ve decided to try and think about other things for the next couple of days, being that it&#8217;s Christmas and everything.</p>
<p>I do have a writing request of you, as a baseball writer of sorts &#8211; what do you think of what the Yankees have done, in all aspects?  A few quick thoughts:</p>
<p>1. We could still lose Ryan Howard to them as a DH.<br />
2. Will Cole Hamels accept a contract worth less than Sabathia&#8217;s?<br />
3. The Phils have done well against Sabathia, Burnett and Texeira, I like our changes against them in the World Series.<br />
4. Is a salary cap for baseball needed?<br />
5. I don&#8217;t really think those guys set the market, because only the Yankees have that kind of money.  It&#8217;s like a bunch of guys vying for the one high-paying job, but when someone gets that job everyone has to settle for less money.</p>
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		<title>By: jkay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete: bout Jayosn Werth re-signing. doesnt it make the Ibanez signing a lil more annoying. my vision for the phillies outfield was to have one of the most feared defensive outfields in the league. Victorino&#039;s the man. Werth is no slouch either (have you seen the cannon he packs) he just needs to get more disciplined in reading balls. burell&#039;s departure meant a hole for a young stud (such as Taylor) to emerge and complete the trifecta. what they had in 2007 with victorino, rowand and werth/burrel, they could have that again, even better. the phillies are so good defensively, it would be ridiculous. not even a million howard errors could dampen it.
now our only right handed power hitter will be fighting for his position with the rookie while the LF is occupied by the 2nd coming of Pat Burrell.
any chance we re-sign werth long term? i am always in favor of a sure thing as opposed to projecting prospects like Greg Golson, who according to the phillies was a bust, the way they chucked him so quick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete: bout Jayosn Werth re-signing. doesnt it make the Ibanez signing a lil more annoying. my vision for the phillies outfield was to have one of the most feared defensive outfields in the league. Victorino&#8217;s the man. Werth is no slouch either (have you seen the cannon he packs) he just needs to get more disciplined in reading balls. burell&#8217;s departure meant a hole for a young stud (such as Taylor) to emerge and complete the trifecta. what they had in 2007 with victorino, rowand and werth/burrel, they could have that again, even better. the phillies are so good defensively, it would be ridiculous. not even a million howard errors could dampen it.<br />
now our only right handed power hitter will be fighting for his position with the rookie while the LF is occupied by the 2nd coming of Pat Burrell.<br />
any chance we re-sign werth long term? i am always in favor of a sure thing as opposed to projecting prospects like Greg Golson, who according to the phillies was a bust, the way they chucked him so quick.</p>
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		<title>By: J Dubbz</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Dubbz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it takes more than $$ to win a title, but wouldn&#039;t it be nice to have that kind of cash to throw around??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it takes more than $$ to win a title, but wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to have that kind of cash to throw around??</p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;J Dubbz&lt;/strong&gt;...Thanks for the links.   Just think, if the Yanks weren&#039;t too cheap to sign Lowe now, they might actually have a shot at meeting us in the world series, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>J Dubbz</strong>&#8230;Thanks for the links.   Just think, if the Yanks weren&#8217;t too cheap to sign Lowe now, they might actually have a shot at meeting us in the world series, right?</p>
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		<title>By: J Dubbz</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Dubbz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!!  Phils/Yanks World Series in 2009??
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/12/23/teixeira/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!!  Phils/Yanks World Series in 2009??<br />
<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/12/23/teixeira/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/12/23/teixeira/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: J Dubbz</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Dubbz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry wrong article:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&amp;id=3749958&amp;sportCat=mlb&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&amp;id=3749958&amp;sportCat=mlb&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry wrong article:<br />
<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&amp;id=3749958&amp;sportCat=mlb" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&#038;id=3749958&#038;sportCat=mlb</a></p>
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		<title>By: J Dubbz</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Dubbz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a pretty cool article about the person that Greg Maddux was on and off the field:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020227&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020227&lt;/a&gt;

Not Phils or prospect talk, but a good baseball article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a pretty cool article about the person that Greg Maddux was on and off the field:<br />
<a href="http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020227" rel="nofollow">http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020227</a></p>
<p>Not Phils or prospect talk, but a good baseball article.</p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the other side of it, Pete.  

When I said that Howard needs to improve his fundamentals, I didn&#039;t mean that he should continue with the same things he has been doing in his previous offseasons. ( In that case, you are right.)  That&#039;s basically what I was driving at in my final paragraph, although apparently not very clearly.  I was hoping that he would try a different offseason approach that would yield better results.  If not, I agree that he should play in the WBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the other side of it, Pete.  </p>
<p>When I said that Howard needs to improve his fundamentals, I didn&#8217;t mean that he should continue with the same things he has been doing in his previous offseasons. ( In that case, you are right.)  That&#8217;s basically what I was driving at in my final paragraph, although apparently not very clearly.  I was hoping that he would try a different offseason approach that would yield better results.  If not, I agree that he should play in the WBC.</p>
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