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		<title>By: Ken Bland</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies%e2%80%99-all-time-tourney-2009-vs-1993/#comment-26427</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at Larkin&#039;s record.

I can only guess.  By historic  standards, its impressive enough.  By the way the shortstop position has evolved, it&#039;s more iffy.  He was the best shortstop in the NL.  But he played in an era of Ripken, Alex, Nomar (when he was good), Jeter.  His power numbers don&#039;t match up as stellar, obviously compared to Alex, and Cal.  He only had 500 AB&#039;s 7 times in his career (result of your DL point).

Far be it from me to sink to National Enquirer levels, but Larkin hit 33 home runs in 1996.  His next best year was 20.  Even the 20 year was slightly out of character.   Since I am guessing at reasons, and never heard a peep other than good things about him, I&#039;ll leave it at that and let the era and numbers speak for themselves.

Comparing his numbers to Joe Morgan seems inappropriate to some extent.  Compare it by era, i.e., the American League shortstops above.  

When I think of a Hall of Fame shortstop, I think of Ernie Banks.  Cal Ripken.  I hate to apply the seemingly absurd is he worthy of first ballot thinking, but Barry Larkin doesn&#039;t make me think of Banks or Ripken.  I guess my impression is nominally on the positive side of borderline.

Now Jack Morris, on the other hand is a Hall of Famer.  He&#039;s like Schilling.  Winning showed up wherever he did.  What a coinidence.  That goes a long way toward outweighing some number shortages.  Larkin did win a ring with the Reds in 90 but while they were good and swept, its easy to forget that since the Reds have been so anemic since MLB became Money League Baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at Larkin&#8217;s record.</p>
<p>I can only guess.  By historic  standards, its impressive enough.  By the way the shortstop position has evolved, it&#8217;s more iffy.  He was the best shortstop in the NL.  But he played in an era of Ripken, Alex, Nomar (when he was good), Jeter.  His power numbers don&#8217;t match up as stellar, obviously compared to Alex, and Cal.  He only had 500 AB&#8217;s 7 times in his career (result of your DL point).</p>
<p>Far be it from me to sink to National Enquirer levels, but Larkin hit 33 home runs in 1996.  His next best year was 20.  Even the 20 year was slightly out of character.   Since I am guessing at reasons, and never heard a peep other than good things about him, I&#8217;ll leave it at that and let the era and numbers speak for themselves.</p>
<p>Comparing his numbers to Joe Morgan seems inappropriate to some extent.  Compare it by era, i.e., the American League shortstops above.  </p>
<p>When I think of a Hall of Fame shortstop, I think of Ernie Banks.  Cal Ripken.  I hate to apply the seemingly absurd is he worthy of first ballot thinking, but Barry Larkin doesn&#8217;t make me think of Banks or Ripken.  I guess my impression is nominally on the positive side of borderline.</p>
<p>Now Jack Morris, on the other hand is a Hall of Famer.  He&#8217;s like Schilling.  Winning showed up wherever he did.  What a coinidence.  That goes a long way toward outweighing some number shortages.  Larkin did win a ring with the Reds in 90 but while they were good and swept, its easy to forget that since the Reds have been so anemic since MLB became Money League Baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KB, I find Berman utterly, completely and unacceptably irritating.  He&#039;s like the national version of Michael Barkan.
 
A little off topic, but I felt the need to share that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KB, I find Berman utterly, completely and unacceptably irritating.  He&#8217;s like the national version of Michael Barkan.<br />
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A little off topic, but I felt the need to share that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Larkin&#039;s got a serious argument:
 
8 Silver Sluggers
12 All-Stars
1995 MVP
3 consecutive Gold Gloves
 
And comparable offensive per/162 numbers to Joe Morgan when it comes to hits, runs, home-runs, OPS and batting average.
 
The one drag on his numbers is his 15 (or something like that) trips to the DL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Larkin&#8217;s got a serious argument:<br />
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8 Silver Sluggers<br />
12 All-Stars<br />
1995 MVP<br />
3 consecutive Gold Gloves<br />
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And comparable offensive per/162 numbers to Joe Morgan when it comes to hits, runs, home-runs, OPS and batting average.<br />
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The one drag on his numbers is his 15 (or something like that) trips to the DL.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Bland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad Dawson is in.  In no way, shape or form could I explain the voter&#039;s thinking, every one of them says that about the constituency as a whole, and despite Hawk Dawson&#039;s weak OBP, based largely on dreadful knees for a lengthy period, I will guess why he got a good portion of the votes he did.  Not that there is anything revealing in this.

 - Presence.  He was a dominant player.  For years, the Phils, Pirates and Expos had some great rivalries.  You didn&#039;t let Schmidt beat you, you didn&#039;t let Stargell beat you, and you didn&#039;t let Andre Dawson beat you.  He was more than the big bat in the lineup.  He was outright dangerous.  He had tremendous bat speed, and his hits were vicious.
In some ways, his numbers are indeed borderline.  He didn&#039;t hit 500 homers, made fewer than 10 all star teams.   But Nolan Ryan had some less than Hallish numbers, like winning percentage, but he was a presence. 

 - Character.  This is well documented.  When you see Mark MacGwire stuck at 20%, it serves as a precursor to how statistical kings like Bonds, Sosa and Raffy Palmiero will be treated.  And while the steroid beneficiaries eventually accumulated numbers superior to Dawson&#039;s, when we are able to review that in retrospect, it becomes clearer what a great player Dawson was.  Not to mention that the theme of Ryne Sandberg&#039;s Hall speech was get Andre Dawson in here with me. 

If Andre Dawson didn&#039;t have bad knees, if Ted Williams didn&#039;t spend 5 years in the military, if Sandy Koufax had piched until he was even 35.
Take your pick of extending the ledger card.  You don&#039;t run a Hall of Fame candidacy based on that, but Andre Dawson belongs on the way he conducted himself, and performed.  Particularly if Jim Rice is in.
They were similarly feared, respected and untalkative in their day. 
I honestly doubt that there would be 1 player that played against him that would tell you otherwise.

Regarding Alomar, I, like Chris thought about Utley when  I heard he didn&#039;t make it.  Who knows how Chase finishes up, but due respect to Alomar, Chase is a presence.  I guess.  Who knows with these guys.

The only thing I can say about Bert Blyleven is that there wouldn&#039;t have been 1 club that wouldn&#039;t have loved to have had him on its staff.  It does look lke the voter&#039;s pushed him to a 2011 finish line, and while it will be nice to see him get in, I also can&#039;t help but feel that his eventual membership will be cheapened by the publicity of elect Blyleven chants the last several years.  That aside, while I find Chris Berman hard to handle these days, when he originated his then awesome baseball nicknames on then awesome ESPN, it didn&#039;t get any better than Bert Be-Home By-Leven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad Dawson is in.  In no way, shape or form could I explain the voter&#8217;s thinking, every one of them says that about the constituency as a whole, and despite Hawk Dawson&#8217;s weak OBP, based largely on dreadful knees for a lengthy period, I will guess why he got a good portion of the votes he did.  Not that there is anything revealing in this.</p>
<p> - Presence.  He was a dominant player.  For years, the Phils, Pirates and Expos had some great rivalries.  You didn&#8217;t let Schmidt beat you, you didn&#8217;t let Stargell beat you, and you didn&#8217;t let Andre Dawson beat you.  He was more than the big bat in the lineup.  He was outright dangerous.  He had tremendous bat speed, and his hits were vicious.<br />
In some ways, his numbers are indeed borderline.  He didn&#8217;t hit 500 homers, made fewer than 10 all star teams.   But Nolan Ryan had some less than Hallish numbers, like winning percentage, but he was a presence. </p>
<p> - Character.  This is well documented.  When you see Mark MacGwire stuck at 20%, it serves as a precursor to how statistical kings like Bonds, Sosa and Raffy Palmiero will be treated.  And while the steroid beneficiaries eventually accumulated numbers superior to Dawson&#8217;s, when we are able to review that in retrospect, it becomes clearer what a great player Dawson was.  Not to mention that the theme of Ryne Sandberg&#8217;s Hall speech was get Andre Dawson in here with me. </p>
<p>If Andre Dawson didn&#8217;t have bad knees, if Ted Williams didn&#8217;t spend 5 years in the military, if Sandy Koufax had piched until he was even 35.<br />
Take your pick of extending the ledger card.  You don&#8217;t run a Hall of Fame candidacy based on that, but Andre Dawson belongs on the way he conducted himself, and performed.  Particularly if Jim Rice is in.<br />
They were similarly feared, respected and untalkative in their day. <br />
I honestly doubt that there would be 1 player that played against him that would tell you otherwise.</p>
<p>Regarding Alomar, I, like Chris thought about Utley when  I heard he didn&#8217;t make it.  Who knows how Chase finishes up, but due respect to Alomar, Chase is a presence.  I guess.  Who knows with these guys.</p>
<p>The only thing I can say about Bert Blyleven is that there wouldn&#8217;t have been 1 club that wouldn&#8217;t have loved to have had him on its staff.  It does look lke the voter&#8217;s pushed him to a 2011 finish line, and while it will be nice to see him get in, I also can&#8217;t help but feel that his eventual membership will be cheapened by the publicity of elect Blyleven chants the last several years.  That aside, while I find Chris Berman hard to handle these days, when he originated his then awesome baseball nicknames on then awesome ESPN, it didn&#8217;t get any better than Bert Be-Home By-Leven.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chris-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kendrick will likely start the year at #5. My guess would be Carpenter or Savery would be next in line. My guess is that they see Aumont as a future closer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shocked about Alomar, not so much about Larkin. Alomar was only a couple votes shy, he&#039;ll get in next year with Blyleven (5 votes shy).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dawson doesn&#039;t deserve to be in there, IMO. A .323 career OBP!!?? That&#039;s worse than Rollins!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris-</p>
<p>Kendrick will likely start the year at #5. My guess would be Carpenter or Savery would be next in line. My guess is that they see Aumont as a future closer.</p>
<p>Shocked about Alomar, not so much about Larkin. Alomar was only a couple votes shy, he&#8217;ll get in next year with Blyleven (5 votes shy).</p>
<p>Dawson doesn&#8217;t deserve to be in there, IMO. A .323 career OBP!!?? That&#8217;s worse than Rollins!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just caught the Hall of Fame announcement.  Andre Dawson was the only guy elected.  The writers ignored Roberto Alomar and Larkin for reasons passing understanding.  And even Dawson just barely made it.
 
I have become increasingly more confident in my belief that the majority of sports writers are babbling idiots.  That is excluding Jayson Stark and Peter Gammons among a few others.
 
If Alomar has trouble getting in I&#039;d hate to see what happens to Utley when his day comes.  As it stands now, and of course there is at least another decade before he hangs &#039;em up, Utley is comparable in many ways to Alomar and his per/162 OPS is 86 points higher (902-816).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just caught the Hall of Fame announcement.  Andre Dawson was the only guy elected.  The writers ignored Roberto Alomar and Larkin for reasons passing understanding.  And even Dawson just barely made it.<br />
 <br />
I have become increasingly more confident in my belief that the majority of sports writers are babbling idiots.  That is excluding Jayson Stark and Peter Gammons among a few others.<br />
 <br />
If Alomar has trouble getting in I&#8217;d hate to see what happens to Utley when his day comes.  As it stands now, and of course there is at least another decade before he hangs &#8216;em up, Utley is comparable in many ways to Alomar and his per/162 OPS is 86 points higher (902-816).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Bland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sox Sports &gt;&gt; should read Fox Sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sox Sports &gt;&gt; should read Fox Sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Bland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if Ryan V&#039;s career ERA is 5.86, he will make for a fine replacement for Moyer.  Paraphrasing Sid Mark, &quot;often immitated, this time equalled&quot;.

Additional text on Beltre.  Theo Epstein&#039;s Nw Year&#039;s Resolution, from what I&#039;ve gathered is to improve his defense.  No doubt he will do that in Beltre.  But Ben Maller of Sox Sports offers some additional numbers 
that point to some potential struggles this year.  We shall see.
Fenway Park hasn&#039;t been kind to Beltre, he&#039;s a career .179 hitter with no homers and only 4 RBI&#039;s at the old yard...

&lt;&lt;Beltre has struggled for most of his career against AL East teams...  He&#039;s a .217 hitter against the Rays,  .243 (Blue Jays), .251 (Orioles) .254 (Yankees)...

Boston will be the &quot;Boo Sox&quot; when Beltre gets off to his typical slow start...

Beltre has a history of getting of to very slow starts... He doesn&#039;t hit many homers in April... In fact its his worst month for bombs in his career...

We all know what happens to guys who get off to slow starts in Boston... They don&#039;t last long...  At least Beltre only signed a one-year deal...&gt;&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if Ryan V&#8217;s career ERA is 5.86, he will make for a fine replacement for Moyer.  Paraphrasing Sid Mark, &#8220;often immitated, this time equalled&#8221;.</p>
<p>Additional text on Beltre.  Theo Epstein&#8217;s Nw Year&#8217;s Resolution, from what I&#8217;ve gathered is to improve his defense.  No doubt he will do that in Beltre.  But Ben Maller of Sox Sports offers some additional numbers<br />
that point to some potential struggles this year.  We shall see.<br />
Fenway Park hasn&#8217;t been kind to Beltre, he&#8217;s a career .179 hitter with no homers and only 4 RBI&#8217;s at the old yard&#8230;</p>
<p>&lt;&lt;Beltre has struggled for most of his career against AL East teams&#8230;  He&#8217;s a .217 hitter against the Rays,  .243 (Blue Jays), .251 (Orioles) .254 (Yankees)&#8230;</p>
<p>Boston will be the &#8220;Boo Sox&#8221; when Beltre gets off to his typical slow start&#8230;</p>
<p>Beltre has a history of getting of to very slow starts&#8230; He doesn&#8217;t hit many homers in April&#8230; In fact its his worst month for bombs in his career&#8230;</p>
<p>We all know what happens to guys who get off to slow starts in Boston&#8230; They don&#8217;t last long&#8230;  At least Beltre only signed a one-year deal&#8230;&gt;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moyer going under the knife.  Again.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/80773422.html?viewAll=y&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/80773422.html?viewAll=y&lt;/a&gt;
 
I hope RAJ and CM have a back up plan for if Moyer can&#039;t go.  It&#039;s already looking like he&#039;ll miss the start of the season, how far can a 47-year-old injury plagued pitcher go?  At this point I&#039;d be surprised to see him make 15 starts.
 
If they don&#039;t sign anyone I wonder if we&#039;ll see Savery or Aumont at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moyer going under the knife.  Again.<br />
<a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/80773422.html?viewAll=y" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/80773422.html?viewAll=y</a><br />
 <br />
I hope RAJ and CM have a back up plan for if Moyer can&#8217;t go.  It&#8217;s already looking like he&#8217;ll miss the start of the season, how far can a 47-year-old injury plagued pitcher go?  At this point I&#8217;d be surprised to see him make 15 starts.<br />
 <br />
If they don&#8217;t sign anyone I wonder if we&#8217;ll see Savery or Aumont at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Volgelsong (the pitcher from japan) is a horrible MLB pitcher. Career ERA of 5.86. He was probably signed to pitch in LHV.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volgelsong (the pitcher from japan) is a horrible MLB pitcher. Career ERA of 5.86. He was probably signed to pitch in LHV.</p>
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