Comments on: Phillies Rumors: Lowe to the Mets? http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:41:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-10168 bski Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:00:50 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-10168 In case anybody checks in, here is an update from mlbtraderumors.com on the Lowe situation: ------Kat O'Brien of Newsday is reporting that the Mets' negotiations with Lowe are expected to heat up this week. ------Scott Boras says that the alleged 3-year, $36 mil offer was never made by the Mets. -------John Heyman says that Lowe is looking for $16 mil per season and that the Phillies and Braves are in the mix. -------It is also being reported that it is unlikely that the Braves would top the offer the Mets might or might not have made. For whatever it's worth, we (the fans) can still hold out hope that The Phils will step up and get Lowe. In case anybody checks in, here is an update from mlbtraderumors.com on the Lowe situation:

——Kat O’Brien of Newsday is reporting that the Mets’ negotiations with Lowe are expected to heat up this week.

——Scott Boras says that the alleged 3-year, $36 mil offer was never made by the Mets.

——-John Heyman says that Lowe is looking for $16 mil per season and that the Phillies and Braves are in the mix.

——-It is also being reported that it is unlikely that the Braves would top the offer the Mets might or might not have made.

For whatever it’s worth, we (the fans) can still hold out hope that The Phils will step up and get Lowe.

]]> By: jkay http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9865 jkay Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:30:35 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9865 Pete: it all hinges on whether the phillies want Myers long term or not. that would show us whether he made a dumb move or not conserning Ibanez and Moyer. i feel ur pain; if Lowe goes to the Mets for reasonable dollars it will be a balk on Amaro's part. but Stu has a point; a free agent pitcher coming off a playoff run as the team's ace, he would be looking for a 4yr plus deal. so maybe it hurts us long term. MD: there was a blog piece on foxsports that went into "why we love to hate the yankees". u read it? i did and agreed with it. but i'm still pissed at you just for saying that. yeah thats kinda how much we hate the Yankees. i would advise you to keep the information personal next time. I would advise again against unproven prospects; Happ is the only prospect we have as far as I am concerned. We should act like that; Lowe should have been a top priority and a  new Myers contract should be strongly considered (maybe his ego has tempered a lil bit his asking price would be reasonable) Pete: it all hinges on whether the phillies want Myers long term or not. that would show us whether he made a dumb move or not conserning Ibanez and Moyer. i feel ur pain; if Lowe goes to the Mets for reasonable dollars it will be a balk on Amaro’s part. but Stu has a point; a free agent pitcher coming off a playoff run as the team’s ace, he would be looking for a 4yr plus deal. so maybe it hurts us long term.

MD: there was a blog piece on foxsports that went into “why we love to hate the yankees”. u read it? i did and agreed with it. but i’m still pissed at you just for saying that. yeah thats kinda how much we hate the Yankees. i would advise you to keep the information personal next time.

I would advise again against unproven prospects; Happ is the only prospect we have as far as I am concerned. We should act like that; Lowe should have been a top priority and a  new Myers contract should be strongly considered (maybe his ego has tempered a lil bit his asking price would be reasonable)

]]> By: CJ wither http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9826 CJ wither Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:21:46 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9826 I think the phillies are probably holding out on lowe b/c they still have to lockup howard,hamels, and madson long term. And potentially Brett. I'm with Stu on this one. I think the phillies are probably holding out on lowe b/c they still have to lockup howard,hamels, and madson long term. And potentially Brett. I’m with Stu on this one.

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9819 Pete Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:08:16 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9819 stu- here's how I see it. there are only 2 young starters in our system ready to contribute right now. Carrasco and Happ. Myers contract is up after this year. I say throw Carrasco in there in 2010. Happ would make the team as a long reliever and then come in for whoever gets injured first. if we signed lowe, our rotation would look like this 2009- Hamels, Lowe, Myers, Blanton, Moyer 2010- Hamels, Lowe, Blanton, Carrasco, Moyer 2011- Hamels, Lowe, Carrasco, Happ, TBD as of now, its 2009- Hamels, Myers, Blanton, Moyer, Happ 2010- Hamels, Blanton, Carrasco, Happ, TBD 2011- Hamels, Carrasco, Happ, TBD, TBD stu-

here’s how I see it. there are only 2 young starters in our system ready to contribute right now. Carrasco and Happ. Myers contract is up after this year. I say throw Carrasco in there in 2010. Happ would make the team as a long reliever and then come in for whoever gets injured first. if we signed lowe, our rotation would look like this

2009- Hamels, Lowe, Myers, Blanton, Moyer
2010- Hamels, Lowe, Blanton, Carrasco, Moyer
2011- Hamels, Lowe, Carrasco, Happ, TBD

as of now, its

2009- Hamels, Myers, Blanton, Moyer, Happ
2010- Hamels, Blanton, Carrasco, Happ, TBD
2011- Hamels, Carrasco, Happ, TBD, TBD

]]> By: Stu http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9818 Stu Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:03:38 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9818 I still think that we need to reserve that 5th starter spot to groom a young guy.  Moyer has to be a 4th starter so once we re-signed him, that pretty much ended our pursuit of Lowe.  Happ and Carrasco (and maybe even Kendrick and some others) deserve to compete for that spot in the major league rotation and are much cheaper options.  Young pitching needs a chance to succeed, just buying a rotation never seems to work.   If we signed a 34 year old Lowe (or whatever he is) for multiple years, what happens to developing a young starter?  All of our starters would be signed through 2010.  We'd end up trading one of them in a deadline deal without ever realizing their potential (which is what Ed Wade tried to do with Ryan Howard for Kip Wells a few years ago, we are all lucky that didn't happen).  Think about it.  The Mets will still be the Melts in September, until they win a World Series, we will be better than them.   They are the ones playing catch up, not us. I still think that we need to reserve that 5th starter spot to groom a young guy.  Moyer has to be a 4th starter so once we re-signed him, that pretty much ended our pursuit of Lowe.  Happ and Carrasco (and maybe even Kendrick and some others) deserve to compete for that spot in the major league rotation and are much cheaper options.  Young pitching needs a chance to succeed, just buying a rotation never seems to work.   If we signed a 34 year old Lowe (or whatever he is) for multiple years, what happens to developing a young starter?  All of our starters would be signed through 2010.  We’d end up trading one of them in a deadline deal without ever realizing their potential (which is what Ed Wade tried to do with Ryan Howard for Kip Wells a few years ago, we are all lucky that didn’t happen).  Think about it.  The Mets will still be the Melts in September, until they win a World Series, we will be better than them.   They are the ones playing catch up, not us.

]]> By: deepsixersuede http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9814 deepsixersuede Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:43:59 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9814 Ibanez/Moyer  or [J.Michaels/Jenkins] /Lowe is it that bad. Considering budget restraints a possible 25 hr,100 rbi guy is a nice addition, I love Lowe but I still feel he will get 4 years somewhere, which I don!t believe the Phillies would give anyway. Ibanez/Moyer  or [J.Michaels/Jenkins] /Lowe is it that bad. Considering budget restraints a possible 25 hr,100 rbi guy is a nice addition, I love Lowe but I still feel he will get 4 years somewhere, which I don!t believe the Phillies would give anyway.

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9812 Pete Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:07:41 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9812 Pedro- <div> </div> <div>thanks for commenting.</div> <div> </div> <div>one thing that this off-season has shown us is that the Phils/Mets is going to be an intense, fun rivalry for the next couple years. fans are paying attention to the other teams' offseason almost as much as their own. </div> <div> </div> <div>i wrote this post last year about how I thought the Mets/Phillies could elevate to big time rivalry status. </div> <div> </div> <div>http://www.reclinergm.com/philsmets-turning-into-real-rivalry/</div> <div> </div> <div>at the time, I don't think many agreed with me. but with the Phillies legitimizing themselves as champs, the Mets trying to punch back again, both teams still yapping at each other, and the sheer amount of exciting talent on each squad. I think it sits right behind Yankees/Sox as the most exciting rivalry for average fans to watch (now, not historically)</div> <div> </div> Pedro-

thanks for commenting.
one thing that this off-season has shown us is that the Phils/Mets is going to be an intense, fun rivalry for the next couple years. fans are paying attention to the other teams’ offseason almost as much as their own. 
i wrote this post last year about how I thought the Mets/Phillies could elevate to big time rivalry status. 
at the time, I don’t think many agreed with me. but with the Phillies legitimizing themselves as champs, the Mets trying to punch back again, both teams still yapping at each other, and the sheer amount of exciting talent on each squad. I think it sits right behind Yankees/Sox as the most exciting rivalry for average fans to watch (now, not historically)
]]> By: Pedro http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9808 Pedro Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:58:01 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9808 I agree with Pete;  I hate to see players I love go to teams I hate.  That said as a Mets fan I was pissed that Ibanez signed so early.  The dude is a great hitter.  The Phil's improved greatly in LF in my opinion with that signing.   The only teams in the NL that have more talent then the Mets are the Cubs and the Phil's.  Lowe would tip the balance some more but the team chemistry the Phil's have right now is great.  You have stars (J-Roll, Uttley, Howard, Hamels) , veterans (Moyer, Lidge, Myers, Jenkins, Feliz, now Ibanez) and grinders (Victorino, Worth, Ruiz, Brutlett, Dobbs) just like the 90's Yankees did.  The Mets are closer but the Phil's are still the team to beat.  IMO the Phil's are built more as a WIN NOW team then the Mets are.   This could be a fun year to watch a great head to head all the way to the end.  My hope is Putz and K-Rod make the difference. 43 day until pitchers and catchers report. I agree with Pete;  I hate to see players I love go to teams I hate.  That said as a Mets fan I was pissed that Ibanez signed so early.  The dude is a great hitter.  The Phil’s improved greatly in LF in my opinion with that signing.  

The only teams in the NL that have more talent then the Mets are the Cubs and the Phil’s.  Lowe would tip the balance some more but the team chemistry the Phil’s have right now is great.  You have stars (J-Roll, Uttley, Howard, Hamels) , veterans (Moyer, Lidge, Myers, Jenkins, Feliz, now Ibanez) and grinders (Victorino, Worth, Ruiz, Brutlett, Dobbs) just like the 90′s Yankees did.  The Mets are closer but the Phil’s are still the team to beat.  IMO the Phil’s are built more as a WIN NOW team then the Mets are.   This could be a fun year to watch a great head to head all the way to the end.  My hope is Putz and K-Rod make the difference.

43 day until pitchers and catchers report.

]]> By: Mike Donnelly http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9807 Mike Donnelly Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:47:19 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9807 Phillies are my  #2 team, and in a different league...so don't ban me yet.  Lowe is an easy get for the Phillies, cheap and you don't give anything up, keeps your in-division rival from getting better and is a natural for the Park.  I'd be shocked if the Phillies let him get away. Phillies are my  #2 team, and in a different league…so don’t ban me yet.  Lowe is an easy get for the Phillies, cheap and you don’t give anything up, keeps your in-division rival from getting better and is a natural for the Park.  I’d be shocked if the Phillies let him get away.

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-lowe-to-the-mets/#comment-9805 bski Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:15 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=3493#comment-9805 <strong>Dannie</strong>...Lowe signing with the Mets would bother me <strong>much</strong> more than them getting Santana.  Santana was never anything more than a pipe dream for us.  There was no way in the world we were going to surrender a fistful of prospects <strong>and</strong> give 6 years to a pitcher <strong>and</strong> pay him a salary escalating from $19 mil to $25.5 mil over the life of the contract. On the other hand, Lowe is a <strong>very </strong>realistic get.  He has been sitting out there for a while and if 3 years will get him, it's a big mistake for the Phils to not get it done, IMO.  I found an update on <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/derek-lowe-ru-4.html" title="mlbtraderumors.com" rel="nofollow">mlbtraderumors.com </a>stating that the Mets will probably need to raise their offer a bit but that their ceiling is 3 years, $40 mil.  It also says that The Phils, Red Sox, and Yankees are not interested.  I think we are going to regret passing on him. Dannie…Lowe signing with the Mets would bother me much more than them getting Santana.  Santana was never anything more than a pipe dream for us.  There was no way in the world we were going to surrender a fistful of prospects and give 6 years to a pitcher and pay him a salary escalating from $19 mil to $25.5 mil over the life of the contract.

On the other hand, Lowe is a very realistic get.  He has been sitting out there for a while and if 3 years will get him, it’s a big mistake for the Phils to not get it done, IMO.  I found an update on mlbtraderumors.com stating that the Mets will probably need to raise their offer a bit but that their ceiling is 3 years, $40 mil.  It also says that The Phils, Red Sox, and Yankees are not interested.  I think we are going to regret passing on him.

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