Comments on: Phillies Rumors: Moyer and Eyre First Priority? http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:41:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Kevin http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6958 Kevin Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:42:46 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6958 We got to where we are right now off a lot of homegrown talent.  Hamels, Howard, Utley, Rollins, Myers, Ruiz etc.  So what I am saying is that I too am opposed to Marson or Carrasco (who by the way is projected to a #2 or #3 in the bigs).  I am also opposed to trading Donald if he is a legit 3rd baseman, as clicheguevara said.  If is not, any is truly at shortstop or 2nd baseman then he is as good as gone.  I am not opposed to Madson being shipped out, we may not be able to afford him anyway.  Problem is that they would have to replace him via trade/FA cause we dont have anyone in our system like him, ie fire throwing right hander. We got to where we are right now off a lot of homegrown talent.  Hamels, Howard, Utley, Rollins, Myers, Ruiz etc.  So what I am saying is that I too am opposed to Marson or Carrasco (who by the way is projected to a #2 or #3 in the bigs).  I am also opposed to trading Donald if he is a legit 3rd baseman, as clicheguevara said.  If is not, any is truly at shortstop or 2nd baseman then he is as good as gone.  I am not opposed to Madson being shipped out, we may not be able to afford him anyway.  Problem is that they would have to replace him via trade/FA cause we dont have anyone in our system like him, ie fire throwing right hander.

]]> By: clicheguevara http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6928 clicheguevara Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:22:20 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6928 Interesting... I'd be willing to trade Madson while his value is high.  Although it's sad to see our baby go, any young, fire-throwing righty could take his place (and hopefully for less money).  Especially if we are going to get an everyday player. I would NOT trade Marson or Carrasco, however (or Donald, if he can really play third base).  I'm not sure if we have enough outside of those guys to complement Madson in a trade for Holliday. Interesting… I’d be willing to trade Madson while his value is high.  Although it’s sad to see our baby go, any young, fire-throwing righty could take his place (and hopefully for less money).  Especially if we are going to get an everyday player.

I would NOT trade Marson or Carrasco, however (or Donald, if he can really play third base).  I’m not sure if we have enough outside of those guys to complement Madson in a trade for Holliday.

]]> By: Memphis http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6926 Memphis Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:53:40 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6926 Holliday is a better player than Burrell on pretty much any measurable over the past three years, and he's younger, and I think he'll make less than Pat in 2009. Obviously don't want to give up a lot for him (not Werth or Victorino), but he'd fit in very well on this team, and he'd be in a contract year, which is always nice. Splits away from Coors aren't terrible (.296 BA, .370 OBP, .486 SLG, .856 OPS), and he'd be in the Bank... what about including Madsen in a deal for Holliday -- dude's value could not be much higher than it is right now. Donald's great but unless he plays 3rd (would be nice) he's not going to crack our lineup. Rumor is we are hot for Holliday, per SI's Jon Heyman. Going to be interesting. Holliday is a better player than Burrell on pretty much any measurable over the past three years, and he’s younger, and I think he’ll make less than Pat in 2009. Obviously don’t want to give up a lot for him (not Werth or Victorino), but he’d fit in very well on this team, and he’d be in a contract year, which is always nice. Splits away from Coors aren’t terrible (.296 BA, .370 OBP, .486 SLG, .856 OPS), and he’d be in the Bank… what about including Madsen in a deal for Holliday — dude’s value could not be much higher than it is right now. Donald’s great but unless he plays 3rd (would be nice) he’s not going to crack our lineup. Rumor is we are hot for Holliday, per SI’s Jon Heyman. Going to be interesting.

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6924 bski Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:46:35 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6924 The Holliday to the Phils rumors just keep picking up steam.  How about this from si.com posted at 4:38 this afternoon: "By Jon Heyman, SI.com DANA POINT, Calif. -- The world champion Phillies are one of the most aggressive pursuers of Rockies superstar outfielder <strong><a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/7311" rel="nofollow">Matt Holliday</a></strong>, sources tell SI.com. The Rockies surely would be interested in Phillies centerfielder <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/7104" rel="nofollow">Shane Victorino</a>, but it isn't known whether Philadelphia would consider moving him. The Phillies have several other well-regarded young players, including catcher <strong>Lou Marson</strong>, shortstop <strong>Jason Donald</strong> and pitcher <strong>Carlos Carrasco</strong>. Sources indicate that the Phillies have enough good young players to be able to do a deal for Holliday if the sides can agree. Baseball executives expect Holliday to be traded at some point this offseason, but nothing appears imminent. Holliday batted .321 in 2008, his fourth straight .300 season, but he dipped to 25 home runs and 88 RBIs, the first time since 2005 that he failed to top 30 HRs and 100 RBIs. Holliday is on the trading block because he will be eligible for free agency after the 2009 season and the Rockies have concluded they have no hope to retain him. SI.com reported Wednesday that Holliday turned down Colorado's offer of $68 million over four years plus an option that would bring it to $85 million. Any teams interested in acquiring Holliday understand that they will be getting him for only one year. Several teams have shown interest, including the A's, Mets and Rays, but so far it appears the Phillies may have the best chance among those teams" I really don't want to see Victorino, Marson, or Carrasco go anywhere.  I don't like Holliday that much, especially if he'll only be a 1-year rental. The Holliday to the Phils rumors just keep picking up steam.  How about this from si.com posted at 4:38 this afternoon:

“By Jon Heyman, SI.com
DANA POINT, Calif. — The world champion Phillies are one of the most aggressive pursuers of Rockies superstar outfielder Matt Holliday, sources tell SI.com.
The Rockies surely would be interested in Phillies centerfielder Shane Victorino, but it isn’t known whether Philadelphia would consider moving him. The Phillies have several other well-regarded young players, including catcher Lou Marson, shortstop Jason Donald and pitcher Carlos Carrasco. Sources indicate that the Phillies have enough good young players to be able to do a deal for Holliday if the sides can agree.
Baseball executives expect Holliday to be traded at some point this offseason, but nothing appears imminent.
Holliday batted .321 in 2008, his fourth straight .300 season, but he dipped to 25 home runs and 88 RBIs, the first time since 2005 that he failed to top 30 HRs and 100 RBIs. Holliday is on the trading block because he will be eligible for free agency after the 2009 season and the Rockies have concluded they have no hope to retain him. SI.com reported Wednesday that Holliday turned down Colorado’s offer of $68 million over four years plus an option that would bring it to $85 million.
Any teams interested in acquiring Holliday understand that they will be getting him for only one year. Several teams have shown interest, including the A’s, Mets and Rays, but so far it appears the Phillies may have the best chance among those teams”
I really don’t want to see Victorino, Marson, or Carrasco go anywhere.  I don’t like Holliday that much, especially if he’ll only be a 1-year rental.

]]> By: deepsixersuede http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6921 deepsixersuede Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:21:35 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6921 Holliday for Werth and Carrasco? Hope not. Holliday is as bad as Burrell defensively and away from Coores would maybe duplicate Werth!s numbers from last year [25 hr,280 avg.?]Guys, last year a major league scout on J.Mac!s show said Corasco is a #3 starter at best; has the opinion changed or what ? Holliday for Werth and Carrasco? Hope not. Holliday is as bad as Burrell defensively and away from Coores would maybe duplicate Werth!s numbers from last year [25 hr,280 avg.?]Guys, last year a major league scout on J.Mac!s show said Corasco is a #3 starter at best; has the opinion changed or what ?

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6916 Pete Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:31:47 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6916  a couple of interesting notes from a Keith Law chat today on ESPN <strong>Joe (Raleigh):</strong> Keith, From what I've heard, Jason Donald was exceptional in the AFL. Did you see him play? Does he have a future in Philly? <img src="http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif" alt="SportsNation" width="24" height="11" /> <strong>Keith Law: </strong>He could play 3b for them every day next year and probably give them above-average defense, but less bat than you want at the spot. That means that he may have more value to them in trade to a club that needs a ss or 2b. If I'm Ruben Amaro, that's the guy I'm using to fill whatever needs I decide I have (another starter would be nice). <strong>Kyle(Philadelphia):</strong> Do the Phillies have the prospects to get Holliday? <img src="http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif" alt="SportsNation" width="24" height="11" /> <strong>Keith Law: </strong>Carrasco, Donald, Taylor? Why not? I'm not saying they will do it, but the Rockies would have to listen to that, right?  a couple of interesting notes from a Keith Law chat today on ESPN

Joe (Raleigh): Keith, From what I’ve heard, Jason Donald was exceptional in the AFL. Did you see him play? Does he have a future in Philly?

SportsNation Keith Law: He could play 3b for them every day next year and probably give them above-average defense, but less bat than you want at the spot. That means that he may have more value to them in trade to a club that needs a ss or 2b. If I’m Ruben Amaro, that’s the guy I’m using to fill whatever needs I decide I have (another starter would be nice).

Kyle(Philadelphia): Do the Phillies have the prospects to get Holliday?

SportsNation Keith Law: Carrasco, Donald, Taylor? Why not? I’m not saying they will do it, but the Rockies would have to listen to that, right?

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6915 bski Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:02:43 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6915 <strong>Kevin</strong>...I could see Coste being done.  In that case I can see Jaramillo being the backup to Ruiz in 2009.  He just turned 26, which is a bit old for a prospect.   Besides, he is not really the prospect anyway.  I see Jaramillo being a stopgap/placeholder as the big league backup in 2009.  Clearing him out of AAA opens up the every day spot for Marson.  I still feel that the Phils would rather see Marson play every day.  Playing twice a week will not help his development, if it doesn't hinder it.  We all know that Marson is the future but if he is not ready (or if the Phils do not want to rush him because they have no pressing need to do so) for the starting job with the Phils in 2009, I'm guessing he will be in AAA with an eye toward moving up for good in 2010. Kevin…I could see Coste being done.  In that case I can see Jaramillo being the backup to Ruiz in 2009.  He just turned 26, which is a bit old for a prospect.   Besides, he is not really the prospect anyway.  I see Jaramillo being a stopgap/placeholder as the big league backup in 2009.  Clearing him out of AAA opens up the every day spot for Marson. 

I still feel that the Phils would rather see Marson play every day.  Playing twice a week will not help his development, if it doesn’t hinder it.  We all know that Marson is the future but if he is not ready (or if the Phils do not want to rush him because they have no pressing need to do so) for the starting job with the Phils in 2009, I’m guessing he will be in AAA with an eye toward moving up for good in 2010.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6912 Kevin Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:03:38 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6912 That and I think that Coste is done as a Phillie. That and I think that Coste is done as a Phillie.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6911 Kevin Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:02:43 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6911 Top prospects rarely go to AAA anymore, they excel at AA and make the move to the bigs.  They kept him around as a emergency catcher this postseason, but they wont use him as a backup.  I dont believe that.  If you just wanted a emergency catcher then they would have brought up Jaramillo.  Instead they were grooming Marson for a increased role next season.  And yes I would not be suprised to see Marson as the everyday catcher in 2010.  Top prospects rarely go to AAA anymore, they excel at AA and make the move to the bigs.  They kept him around as a emergency catcher this postseason, but they wont use him as a backup.  I dont believe that.  If you just wanted a emergency catcher then they would have brought up Jaramillo.  Instead they were grooming Marson for a increased role next season.  And yes I would not be suprised to see Marson as the everyday catcher in 2010. 

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-rumors-moyer-and-eyre-first-priority/#comment-6909 bski Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:35:47 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2539#comment-6909 <strong>Kevin</strong>...I can't see Marson coming up to be the backup catcher.  I'm figuring he will stay in the minors until they think he is ready to take over the starting job. There are several factors at play here.  Marson is only 22, he played AA last year, and Ruiz played well, especially in the second half of the season and in the postseason.  Also, there is no way the Phils want Marson catching only 2 games a week next year. I'm thinking that the Phils would really like Marson to have a full season at AAA before they bring him up.  Unless Marson tears AAA to shreds and Ruiz tanks, I'm sure that's what will happen. As long as Marson continues his steady progression, I think he has a great shot at being the every day catcher in 2010.  The Phils won't be able to hold down, IMO.  In that case I could see him as the starter and Ruiz as the backup. Kevin…I can’t see Marson coming up to be the backup catcher.  I’m figuring he will stay in the minors until they think he is ready to take over the starting job.

There are several factors at play here.  Marson is only 22, he played AA last year, and Ruiz played well, especially in the second half of the season and in the postseason.  Also, there is no way the Phils want Marson catching only 2 games a week next year.

I’m thinking that the Phils would really like Marson to have a full season at AAA before they bring him up.  Unless Marson tears AAA to shreds and Ruiz tanks, I’m sure that’s what will happen.

As long as Marson continues his steady progression, I think he has a great shot at being the every day catcher in 2010.  The Phils won’t be able to hold down, IMO.  In that case I could see him as the starter and Ruiz as the backup.

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