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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just commented in the other Phillies thread, but worth repeating:


Holliday to the.....A&#039;s?  huh?
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/11/10/heyman.holliday/index.html?eref=sircrc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/11/10/heyman.holliday/index.html?eref=sircrc&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just commented in the other Phillies thread, but worth repeating:</p>
<p>Holliday to the&#8230;..A&#8217;s?  huh?<br />
 <br />
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		<title>By: deepsixersuede</title>
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		<dc:creator>deepsixersuede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, any interest in B.Penny; he is supposedly available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, any interest in B.Penny; he is supposedly available.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>true. forgot about that. 

he just added the Angels and Yankees to the list, so I would imagine, being the World Champions and all, we might be able to get our way on there. Unless he hates CBP, which is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true. forgot about that. </p>
<p>he just added the Angels and Yankees to the list, so I would imagine, being the World Champions and all, we might be able to get our way on there. Unless he hates CBP, which is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pete&lt;/strong&gt;, didn&#039;t I hear that Peavy had a list of clubs he would go to?  I see that he has a full no-trade clause in place for 2008 and 2009.  If so, he may not even want to come here.  If he would, it is certainly worth exploring, if for no other reason than to further deplete whoever does get him, especially if it ends up being the Braves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Pete</strong>, didn&#8217;t I hear that Peavy had a list of clubs he would go to?  I see that he has a full no-trade clause in place for 2008 and 2009.  If so, he may not even want to come here.  If he would, it is certainly worth exploring, if for no other reason than to further deplete whoever does get him, especially if it ends up being the Braves.</p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to post this under &quot;What Amaro Inherits&quot;, but I figure that the baseball talk has moved here now.  Anyway, for whatever it&#039;s worth, Todd Zolecki just reported on the Phils new front office arrangement:

Phillies general manager &lt;strong&gt;Ruben Amaro Jr.&lt;/strong&gt; has his men in place for the future.
From the Phillies:
&lt;strong&gt;Benny Looper&lt;/strong&gt; is a new assistant general manager in charge of player personnel. Looper will oversee the scouting and player development areas. Looper, 60, had spent the previous 23 years with the Seattle Mariners in various capacities at the major and minor league levels, including most recently vice president of player personnel (2006-08), VP of player development &amp; scouting (2003-06) and VP of player development (2002-03). Looper spent five seasons as a player in the St. Louis Cardinals’ minor league system. He is the uncle of major league pitcher Braden Looper.
&lt;strong&gt;Chuck LaMar&lt;/strong&gt; was promoted to assistant general manager, player development &amp; scouting. While his main duty will be to manage the player development department, he will also cross-check at the amateur and professional levels. LaMar, 52, joined the Phillies in October of 2007 and spent the past year as the director of professional scouting. Prior to joining the Phillies, LaMar spent a year with the Washington Nationals as special assistant to the general manager and national cross-checker (2007) and 10 years as the general manager of the Tampa Bay Rays (1995-2006).
&lt;strong&gt;Mike Ondo&lt;/strong&gt; has been promoted to pro scouting coordinator. Since joining the Phillies in 1998, Ondo, 33, has worked in the Baseball Operations department, primarily in scouting &amp; player development. He spent the last two years as assistant director, minor leagues, while also assisting the major league coaching staff on scouting reports and statistical analysis.
&lt;strong&gt;Dallas Green&lt;/strong&gt; (senior advisor to the GM), &lt;strong&gt;Charley Kerfeld&lt;/strong&gt; (special assistant to the GM), &lt;strong&gt;Gordon Lakey&lt;/strong&gt; (director, major league scouting), &lt;strong&gt;Steve Noworyta&lt;/strong&gt; (director, minor league operations) and &lt;strong&gt;Marti Wolever&lt;/strong&gt; (director, scouting) are all remaining with the organization.

As previously announced, former GM &lt;strong&gt;Pat Gillick&lt;/strong&gt; will also remain with the club as an advisor to Amaro and club president &lt;strong&gt;David Montgomery&lt;/strong&gt;.
Kind of confusing, no?  Seems like a lot of overlap.  I wonder who reports to whom?  Looper must be a Gillick find.  Anyway, I hope we&#039;ve filled the Arbuckle void and we&#039;re good going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to post this under &#8220;What Amaro Inherits&#8221;, but I figure that the baseball talk has moved here now.  Anyway, for whatever it&#8217;s worth, Todd Zolecki just reported on the Phils new front office arrangement:</p>
<p>Phillies general manager <strong>Ruben Amaro Jr.</strong> has his men in place for the future.<br />
From the Phillies:<br />
<strong>Benny Looper</strong> is a new assistant general manager in charge of player personnel. Looper will oversee the scouting and player development areas. Looper, 60, had spent the previous 23 years with the Seattle Mariners in various capacities at the major and minor league levels, including most recently vice president of player personnel (2006-08), VP of player development &amp; scouting (2003-06) and VP of player development (2002-03). Looper spent five seasons as a player in the St. Louis Cardinals’ minor league system. He is the uncle of major league pitcher Braden Looper.<br />
<strong>Chuck LaMar</strong> was promoted to assistant general manager, player development &amp; scouting. While his main duty will be to manage the player development department, he will also cross-check at the amateur and professional levels. LaMar, 52, joined the Phillies in October of 2007 and spent the past year as the director of professional scouting. Prior to joining the Phillies, LaMar spent a year with the Washington Nationals as special assistant to the general manager and national cross-checker (2007) and 10 years as the general manager of the Tampa Bay Rays (1995-2006).<br />
<strong>Mike Ondo</strong> has been promoted to pro scouting coordinator. Since joining the Phillies in 1998, Ondo, 33, has worked in the Baseball Operations department, primarily in scouting &amp; player development. He spent the last two years as assistant director, minor leagues, while also assisting the major league coaching staff on scouting reports and statistical analysis.<br />
<strong>Dallas Green</strong> (senior advisor to the GM), <strong>Charley Kerfeld</strong> (special assistant to the GM), <strong>Gordon Lakey</strong> (director, major league scouting), <strong>Steve Noworyta</strong> (director, minor league operations) and <strong>Marti Wolever</strong> (director, scouting) are all remaining with the organization.</p>
<p>As previously announced, former GM <strong>Pat Gillick</strong> will also remain with the club as an advisor to Amaro and club president <strong>David Montgomery</strong>.<br />
Kind of confusing, no?  Seems like a lot of overlap.  I wonder who reports to whom?  Looper must be a Gillick find.  Anyway, I hope we&#8217;ve filled the Arbuckle void and we&#8217;re good going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bski-

yeah, it seems like its down to the Cubs and Braves. But looking at the packages, we would at least put together a competitive offer. especially if they braves aren&#039;t biting on giving up some top guys.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bball-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the price for holliday will probably come down. but there is NO WAY Boras lets him sign before hitting the open market, and the only way we re-sign him is if we either decide Howard is gone or he plays poorly enough we can get him at a discount.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bski-</p>
<p>yeah, it seems like its down to the Cubs and Braves. But looking at the packages, we would at least put together a competitive offer. especially if they braves aren&#8217;t biting on giving up some top guys.</p>
<p>bball-</p>
<p>the price for holliday will probably come down. but there is NO WAY Boras lets him sign before hitting the open market, and the only way we re-sign him is if we either decide Howard is gone or he plays poorly enough we can get him at a discount.</p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;bball&lt;/strong&gt;, Yeah I&#039;m more inclined to wait and see if that doesn&#039;t put some pressure on the Rockies to accept less in return.  This is  especially true if the Phils most likely figure they&#039;ll only have Holliday for one year.  

I, like you, would feel differently if we were able to sign Holliday for a few years up front but, considering he is a Boras client, that is unlikely.  Not having his players test the free agent market is anathema to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>bball</strong>, Yeah I&#8217;m more inclined to wait and see if that doesn&#8217;t put some pressure on the Rockies to accept less in return.  This is  especially true if the Phils most likely figure they&#8217;ll only have Holliday for one year.  </p>
<p>I, like you, would feel differently if we were able to sign Holliday for a few years up front but, considering he is a Boras client, that is unlikely.  Not having his players test the free agent market is anathema to him.</p>
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		<title>By: bball</title>
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		<dc:creator>bball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BSKI- I think the price for Holliday is definitely coming down.  Last year they were asking for Victorino and a bunch of prospects.  Teams lose their bargaining power when it comes down to the end of their control of the player.  Look at the slop we got for Scott Rolen because we waited to long.
For an offseason deal for Holliday I think it will take one good prospect and a few mediocre ones.  Last year everybody was talking about Johan being traded for all 3 Yankees top pitching prospects and look he went to the Mets for 1 good ML ready prospect in Gomez and a few other mid prospects.  

From the Rockies point of view now they HAVE to get something for him so don&#039;t lose him for draft picks.  I think they&#039;d be happy with Carrasco and a few average double A guys.  I don&#039;t think they are in a position to ask for much more and if they do ask for more then we shouldn&#039;t do it.  

Note: I wouldn&#039;t do the deal unless we had a contract in place with Holliday for at least 3 years.

Note #2: I&#039;m not as high on Carrasco as a lot of other people because I think he has control issues.  I saw him in Double A last year and he got rocked.  He walked at least 5 guys and gave up homeruns once he had to come over the plate.  Granted it&#039;s only one start but he is far from a sure thing as with any other prospect.  Guys like Jamie Moyer and Maddux prove that control is more important than great stuff.  Vicente Padillia always had great stuff and look where that got him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BSKI- I think the price for Holliday is definitely coming down.  Last year they were asking for Victorino and a bunch of prospects.  Teams lose their bargaining power when it comes down to the end of their control of the player.  Look at the slop we got for Scott Rolen because we waited to long.<br />
For an offseason deal for Holliday I think it will take one good prospect and a few mediocre ones.  Last year everybody was talking about Johan being traded for all 3 Yankees top pitching prospects and look he went to the Mets for 1 good ML ready prospect in Gomez and a few other mid prospects.  </p>
<p>From the Rockies point of view now they HAVE to get something for him so don&#8217;t lose him for draft picks.  I think they&#8217;d be happy with Carrasco and a few average double A guys.  I don&#8217;t think they are in a position to ask for much more and if they do ask for more then we shouldn&#8217;t do it.  </p>
<p>Note: I wouldn&#8217;t do the deal unless we had a contract in place with Holliday for at least 3 years.</p>
<p>Note #2: I&#8217;m not as high on Carrasco as a lot of other people because I think he has control issues.  I saw him in Double A last year and he got rocked.  He walked at least 5 guys and gave up homeruns once he had to come over the plate.  Granted it&#8217;s only one start but he is far from a sure thing as with any other prospect.  Guys like Jamie Moyer and Maddux prove that control is more important than great stuff.  Vicente Padillia always had great stuff and look where that got him.</p>
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		<title>By: noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>word, jdubbz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>word, jdubbz.</p>
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		<title>By: Memphis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Memphis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best thing about Shane is he did all that making $480,000. His value is ridiculous, even if he&#039;s in line for a serious bump this year in arbitration. That&#039;s why we hold on to him, beyond the little things, versatility, and emotions we have. He&#039;s just provides crazy value. I wonder how that value dynamic changes if he gets a big reward or we pony up a multi-year deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best thing about Shane is he did all that making $480,000. His value is ridiculous, even if he&#8217;s in line for a serious bump this year in arbitration. That&#8217;s why we hold on to him, beyond the little things, versatility, and emotions we have. He&#8217;s just provides crazy value. I wonder how that value dynamic changes if he gets a big reward or we pony up a multi-year deal.</p>
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