Lots of Phillies new to talk about today. First of all, if you listen to sports talk radio, you’ll hear the people on air talk about how the Phillies didn’t make enough of an effort to get Sabathia. They are being the same old Phillies, blah, blah, blah. Of course, these guys have exclusive access to the phone calls between the GMs, so there’s no way it could have gone any different! However, if they did their research, they would know that the Indians wanted to Major League ready impact bat as part of the deal, and we don’t have one in our system. On the good side, it looks like they went hard after him, and will continue to pursue a top starter.
Now what?: With CC Sabathia and Rich Harden off the board, the Phillies and Yankees might rank as the two teams with the most motivation to deal for what’s left of the starting-pitching market. But they both seemingly have almost nowhere to turn.
Both teams made runs at Sabathia. But even though the Phillies offered more bodies than Milwaukee, they lacked the position-player centerpiece Cleveland was looking for. And the Yankees U-turned once the Indians turned down their request for a negotiating window. Neither team, meanwhile, got aggressive on Harden. But now both find themselves unsure of where to find another, more affordable arm.
The buzz in Philadelphia is that GM Pat Gillick has convinced ownership to take on a big contract if the right starting pitcher falls into their zip code. We’re not sure how hard that was, but even the most skeptical members of a conservative ownership group can’t help but see that the Phillies aren’t going anywhere without a high-impact starter. Then again, Sabathia was the guy they’d targeted. Yet they wouldn’t talk about either their best minor league arm, Carlos Carrasco, or their most advanced position player, catcher Lou Marson, in those Sabathia discussions. So without altering that stance, they might not even have the ammunition to get a second-tier starter. Phillies executives have been telling people they’re wary of both Erik Bedard and A.J. Burnett. But at this point, they have no choice but to stalk both of them.
Later in the article, he says that while our negotiations with Brad Lidge went smoothly, they aren’t going so well with Burrell, who I personally would like to see back.
But don’t expect the Phillies’ other impending free agent, Pat Burrell, to be the next to sign. We’re hearing that the Phillies’ extension conversation with Burrell’s agent, Greg Genske, was short and not real sweet. It’s hard to envision the Phillies offering more than two years and around $20 million to Burrell. And that’s not even close to what Burrell and Genske have in mind.
Speaking of Burrell, I’m absolutely furious that Matt Holliday was named as Soriano’s replacement over him (or Wright, Hart or Carlos Lee, for that matter). Holliday has a high batting average, but is worse than Burrell in every other category and is notorious for being a “Coors Field” hitter, having horrendous home/road splits (as I mentioned in a earlier article, he’s something like 35th in NL, among only outfielders, in RBI on the road). (Note: for some reason I forgot Holliday was already on the team – he shouldn’t have replaced Soriano anyway)
Then there is the news of the Phillies sending J.A. Happ back down to the minors. Initially I was upset because I’ve been very impressed with the kid, but when you read into it, they are just doing it to get him some starts in Lehigh during the all-star break. I really hope they bring him back up instead of Myers.
Looks like Ryan is getting hot. Watch out. If you watched the Phillies last night, you saw that Howard broke Greg Luzinski’s record for RBI before the all-star break, and has extended that mark with 2 HRs this afternoon.
Finally, an ode to the incredible Jamie Moyer. He’s pitched 7 innings today, allowed 1 run, and his ERA has dropped below 4.00 for the season. Amazing. If I was a pitcher, I would just sit in the dugout and pick his brain the whole time. I hope he pitches 5 more years.









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I’m a lifelong Phillies fan, but will never put blinders on when it comes to our team’s going ons. Pat Burrell has underperformed in every single year of a very lucrative contract, up until that contract is set to expire. Now he suddenly gets serious about his career and starts to flash that potential. I’m glad he didn’t make the all start team and I’m pleased to see the Phils won’t extend him to a lucrative long term deal. Personally, I wouldn’t offer him anything more than a one year deal, since he only knows how to perform in a contract year.
The Duke –
Gotta disagree with you. Burrell was very good, as in, perhaps the best hitter in the NL, for the second half of last season. He has become more disciplined at the plate, and I don’t think a contract will prevent him from continuing that. I wouldn’t give him more than 3 years, and certainly nothing close to his previous contract, but if he leaves, we have a gaping hole in our line-up for RH power bat.
Don’t get me wrong, I want Pat back. However, let’s say he finishes this year batting .280 with 35+ home runs. The current market for that type of player, at his age, is about 12 million plus per year. Most of these guys are getting 4-5 year contracts. If we can get him in for 2 at $20 million great, but at 5 for $60 million plus, I’d explore other options.
Agreed, I would sign him to a 3-year deal with a team option for a 4th.
Under the Philly Ramblings topic I posted a link to a Rumblings and Grumblings article by Jason Stark. Here it is again
It is a very interesting article about deadline deals. It has several quotes from GM’s that give you some insight into their thinking. Stark shows that the headline grabbing deals rarely make a big difference, especially when you are talking about a pitcher. Position players make a bigger impact. Also, the GM’s seem to favor the mid-level type deals. They say that you can help your club a lot more overall with these types of moves. And of course you hear, “Many times, the best deals are the ones you don’t make.” Anyway, it’s an informative read.
As far as the Phils are concerned, we’re better off not having gone after either Sabathia (too costly for a rental) or Harden (too risky). There is no way you can figure that a guy like Harden, who’s been on the DL 6 times in 6 years, is going to stay healthy from here on out.
Actually, I think staying away from any stud Oakland starter(maybe the bullpen guys as well) is the way to go. Since Oakland knows they don’t have the money to keep these guys once they become free agents, I think they ride them hard while they’ve got them. I don’t think they are trying to run them into the ground with total disregard, but they certainly are not going to be as careful with their studs as we are with Hamels, for example. We want to keep Hamels for a long time, so we are going to err on the side of caution with him as much as possible to make sure he’s around for a long time. Oakland doesn’t need to be concerned about this because they can’t afford to keep their guys around a long time. Plus, if you use them heavily, they pitch more innings and stay in games longer, which helps them get a few more wins. When you have a guy who has thrown over 200 innings and gotten 15-18 wins each year for several years, it increases his value. Everyone thinks the guy is a horse, when what he really is is on the verge of a breakdown. I have no direct proof of this, of course. But when you look at the big 3 from the early 2000’s: Zito, Mulder, and Hudson, you start to get suspicious. Each of them tallied around 220 innings per season year after year. Zito has been a disaster in San Fran, and looks pretty used up. Mulder has been injured frequently. In fact, he just came back last night against us and lasted only 1/3 of an inning and threw about 15 pitches before he got injured again. Hudson has been the most successful by far, but he has battled injuries as well.
It really could be nothing, but I just don’t see Oakland having any long term concern about their stud starters. It’s all about getting max productivity in the short term and raising their trade value as high as possible. Oakland gets all the prospects in return while the other team must deal with the fallout from the pitcher’s excessive workload.
duke–i agree 100% with you on burrell–this guy has been a true SLUG for the last 4 years and now he is having a decent year in his contract year—if i’m the phillies i put an offer out there, adn say take it or leave it…plenty of leftfielders out there who want to play in this ballpark, hit for a good average, and offer more defensivly than burrell..
to everyone–i dont care if sabathia was a rental or not, or harden was too risky–the bottom line here is that you have a world series caliber team that lacks a number 2 pitcher—so sabathia comes here, wins the world series and then goes to the yankees, are we really that upset that we finally win our first championship in 25 years?? my attitude is win at all costs!!—or we will slowly see the window close just like we have with the eagles—sure they will be competitive, but not championship caliber teams without a #1 wideout or a number 2 stud in the rotation…
bski—gotta ask ya bud—how the mets looking at the all star break??