Comments on: Phils Trade Once Top-Prospect Golson http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/ Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers & Phillies fans Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:46:35 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Joe Dever http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-9549 Joe Dever Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:06:06 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-9549 I really wonder about the Phillies. They take these behemoths, and stick them in the outfield. Sorry folks, we aren't talking about someone Harmon Killibrew like. They might be as big, they might be as slow. But, Harmon made a big difference with the bat. And it was a slower game then. I would like a new first baseman. As Howard's demands for salary are almost as large as his strikeouts. I now live in SC. So, I go to Atlanta, or when I am in the neighborhood, LA or Baltimore, to catch my baseball. My brother has season tickets in Philly (Go Judge). Anyway, I catch the phillies live or on MLB. I have aseason ticket. Howard is a disgrace in Atlanta and LA, the fans were he can't run, field or throw. And rarely hits. They havea point. But, furthermore he has no baseball instincts. Several times he fielded the ball and didn't know where to throw it. Give me a ballplayer over the best athlete, anyday. That said if we can hit in '09. We could ( do I dare say) repeat. And if a couple of the prospects come through. How about Myers as setup for Lidge. And I would like to see Jason Donald at third. And anyone other than Ruiz as catcher. Or pinch hit for him after the 5th inning. I really wonder about the Phillies. They take these behemoths, and stick them in the outfield. Sorry folks, we aren’t talking about someone Harmon Killibrew like. They might be as big, they might be as slow. But, Harmon made a big difference with the bat. And it was a slower game then. I would like a new first baseman. As Howard’s demands for salary are almost as large as his strikeouts. I now live in SC. So, I go to Atlanta, or when I am in the neighborhood, LA or Baltimore, to catch my baseball. My brother has season tickets in Philly (Go Judge). Anyway, I catch the phillies live or on MLB. I have aseason ticket. Howard is a disgrace in Atlanta and LA, the fans were he can’t run, field or throw. And rarely hits. They havea point. But, furthermore he has no baseball instincts. Several times he fielded the ball and didn’t know where to throw it. Give me a ballplayer over the best athlete, anyday.
That said if we can hit in ‘09. We could ( do I dare say) repeat. And if a couple of the prospects come through. How about Myers as setup for Lidge. And I would like to see Jason Donald at third. And anyone other than Ruiz as catcher. Or pinch hit for him after the 5th inning.

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7780 bski Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:40:06 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7780 <strong>jjg.</strong>...No problem.  I saw the article, remembered our previous conversation, and knew you would appreciate it.  I took a lot from it as well.  That site, dugoutcentral.com, has a lot of interesting articles and analyses.  I try to remember to check it out every few days. (P.S.   In case you were wondering, I steered you down here to this topic because, in order to avoid a breech of etiquette, I did not want to have a baseball discussion under a football topic.) jjg.…No problem.  I saw the article, remembered our previous conversation, and knew you would appreciate it.  I took a lot from it as well.  That site, dugoutcentral.com, has a lot of interesting articles and analyses.  I try to remember to check it out every few days.

(P.S.   In case you were wondering, I steered you down here to this topic because, in order to avoid a breech of etiquette, I did not want to have a baseball discussion under a football topic.)

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7777 jjg Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:00:28 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7777 <strong>Thanks,</strong> <strong>bski!  </strong>Excellent article in tribute of #15.  Being reminded specifically of his exploits and trials was a deep adventure.  Good to see Richie/Dick Allen get such deserved, staunch and, sadly, rare  support for HOF.  His tape-measure HRs were awe-inspiring.  I'm in Cooperstown, NY the day he's enshrined (if it ever arrives).  A    tremendous, unforgettable player.  Manager Gene Mauch, when asked by a reporter what he was gonna do about a rebellious, missing Richie:  "I find him, I fine 'em and I play him." Nice of you to pass the cogent piece along.        Thanks, bski!  Excellent article in tribute of #15.  Being reminded specifically of his exploits and trials was a deep adventure.  Good to see Richie/Dick Allen get such deserved, staunch and, sadly, rare  support for HOF.  His tape-measure HRs were awe-inspiring.  I’m in Cooperstown, NY the day he’s enshrined (if it ever arrives).  A   
tremendous, unforgettable player. 

Manager Gene Mauch, when asked by a reporter what he was gonna do about a rebellious, missing Richie:  “I find him, I fine ‘em and I play him.”

Nice of you to pass the cogent piece along. 
     

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7771 bski Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:17:44 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7771 <strong>jjg.</strong>..Here's a very good article from <a href="http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=2084" title="dugoutcentral.com" rel="nofollow">dugoutcentral.com</a> about an ex-Phil we've talked about this past summer. jjg...Here’s a very good article from dugoutcentral.com about an ex-Phil we’ve talked about this past summer.

]]> By: J Dubbz http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7625 J Dubbz Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:07:42 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7625 <strong>bski</strong>...I am in complete agreement.  With the talent pool out there for a right handed LFer, Burrell seems to be within the top tier (exclding Manny).  bski…I am in complete agreement.  With the talent pool out there for a right handed LFer, Burrell seems to be within the top tier (exclding Manny). 

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7622 bski Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:46:39 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7622 <strong>J Dubbz</strong>...Donald may prove to be more valuable to us than we thought after all.  We might be very glad that we didn't move him in a trade. Regarding Burrell, there doesn't appear to be a long line of suitors banging down his door, does there?  I'm guessing the interested teams are sitting back and waiting to see if the Phillies offer him arbitration.  I think they should.  If he leaves, we get a draft pick.  If he accepts arbitration, then we are only committed to him for one more year.  I would rather see the Phils pay him more for one year than to be on the hook for let's say three years at less money per year.  Plus, one more year of Burrell will allow us time to see what we've got in this Mayberry and if he can be an every day outfielder for us. J Dubbz…Donald may prove to be more valuable to us than we thought after all.  We might be very glad that we didn’t move him in a trade.

Regarding Burrell, there doesn’t appear to be a long line of suitors banging down his door, does there?  I’m guessing the interested teams are sitting back and waiting to see if the Phillies offer him arbitration.  I think they should.  If he leaves, we get a draft pick.  If he accepts arbitration, then we are only committed to him for one more year.  I would rather see the Phils pay him more for one year than to be on the hook for let’s say three years at less money per year.  Plus, one more year of Burrell will allow us time to see what we’ve got in this Mayberry and if he can be an every day outfielder for us.

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7621 bski Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:27:48 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7621 For what it's worth, the Phillies' coaching staff is now set for 2009. From phillies.com: Former Major League manager <strong>Pete Mackanin has been named bench coach,</strong> replacing Jimy Williams and rounding out manager Charlie Manuel's coaching staff for the 2009 season. Mackanin, 57, spent 2008 as a pro scout for the Yankees after replacing Jerry Narron and guiding the Reds for the final three months of the 2007 season as interim manager. The Reds went 41-39 (.513) under Mackanin's watch, though he was replaced with Dusty Baker. Mackanin's hiring moves Sam Perlozzo to the third-base coach position, where he replaces Steve Smith. Mackanin also served as interim manager for the Pirates after Lloyd McClendon was dismissed with 26 games remaining in 2005. Mackanin has also coached with the Expos and Pirates. As a player, Mackanin appeared in 18 games for the Phillies in 1978-79. Manuel's 2009 staff: <strong>Bench coach:</strong> Mackanin <strong>Pitching coach:</strong> Rich Dubee <strong>Hitting coach:</strong> Milt Thompson <strong>First-base coach:</strong> Davey Lopes <strong>Third-base coach:</strong> Perlozzo <strong>Bullpen coach:</strong> Mick Billmeyer For what it’s worth, the Phillies’ coaching staff is now set for 2009.

From phillies.com:

Former Major League manager Pete Mackanin has been named bench coach, replacing Jimy Williams and rounding out manager Charlie Manuel’s coaching staff for the 2009 season.
Mackanin, 57, spent 2008 as a pro scout for the Yankees after replacing Jerry Narron and guiding the Reds for the final three months of the 2007 season as interim manager. The Reds went 41-39 (.513) under Mackanin’s watch, though he was replaced with Dusty Baker.
Mackanin’s hiring moves Sam Perlozzo to the third-base coach position, where he replaces Steve Smith.
Mackanin also served as interim manager for the Pirates after Lloyd McClendon was dismissed with 26 games remaining in 2005. Mackanin has also coached with the Expos and Pirates. As a player, Mackanin appeared in 18 games for the Phillies in 1978-79.
Manuel’s 2009 staff:
Bench coach: Mackanin
Pitching coach: Rich Dubee
Hitting coach: Milt Thompson
First-base coach: Davey Lopes
Third-base coach: Perlozzo
Bullpen coach: Mick Billmeyer

]]> By: J Dubbz http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7613 J Dubbz Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:30:55 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7613 I am a little disappointed about Golston.  He looked like a pure athlete and was seemed even quicker than Victorino on the bases.  We certainly don't need another Ryan Howard when it comes to strikeouts though.  He gets enough for the whole team. Read a couple of interesting tidbits this morning: • Phillies shortstop Jason Donald (.414 AVG, .480 OBP, .759 SLG, 5 HRs in 87 ABs): "Very steady shortstop. Has good at-bats. I don't know how much power he'll have down the line, but he's got some strength. He's the best infielder in that Phillies system by far." I didn't realize just how good this kid was.  All the hoopla around Carrasco and Marson, but this kid may get the call before either of those 2, much more so now with Utleys surgery. • Despite reports that <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4214" rel="nofollow">Pat Burrell</a> turned down $21 million for two years from the Phillies, a source with knowledge of those negotiations says that "never happened." The two sides did talk contract after the World Series but discussed only "very general parameters," the source said.   The Phillies indicated they were interested in bringing Burrell back for "as short a term as possible." But Burrell, obviously, expects there will be more years and dollars out there on the market. So if that's the case, the Phillies have a tricky decision to make on whether to offer him arbitration.   On one hand, he's a Type A free agent, so the Phillies would get a premium compensation pick. On the other hand, he made $14 million this year. So if he were to accept arbitration, he'd be in line for a raise after reaching base more times (237) than any NL left fielder except <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5940" rel="nofollow">Matt Holliday</a> and thumping more extra-base hits (66) than any NL left fielder except <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28721" rel="nofollow">Ryan Braun</a>. Stay tuned. Never considered the value Burrell has compared to his peers in LF.  I guess when you watch a guy for 162 games it tends to cloud your judgement as to whether he is a valuable asset to the team.  Maybe we should bring 'old cement legs back? I am a little disappointed about Golston.  He looked like a pure athlete and was seemed even quicker than Victorino on the bases.  We certainly don’t need another Ryan Howard when it comes to strikeouts though.  He gets enough for the whole team.

Read a couple of interesting tidbits this morning:

• Phillies shortstop Jason Donald (.414 AVG, .480 OBP, .759 SLG, 5 HRs in 87 ABs): “Very steady shortstop. Has good at-bats. I don’t know how much power he’ll have down the line, but he’s got some strength. He’s the best infielder in that Phillies system by far.”

I didn’t realize just how good this kid was.  All the hoopla around Carrasco and Marson, but this kid may get the call before either of those 2, much more so now with Utleys surgery.

• Despite reports that Pat Burrell turned down $21 million for two years from the Phillies, a source with knowledge of those negotiations says that “never happened.” The two sides did talk contract after the World Series but discussed only “very general parameters,” the source said.

 
The Phillies indicated they were interested in bringing Burrell back for “as short a term as possible.” But Burrell, obviously, expects there will be more years and dollars out there on the market. So if that’s the case, the Phillies have a tricky decision to make on whether to offer him arbitration.
 
On one hand, he’s a Type A free agent, so the Phillies would get a premium compensation pick. On the other hand, he made $14 million this year. So if he were to accept arbitration, he’d be in line for a raise after reaching base more times (237) than any NL left fielder except Matt Holliday and thumping more extra-base hits (66) than any NL left fielder except Ryan Braun. Stay tuned.

Never considered the value Burrell has compared to his peers in LF.  I guess when you watch a guy for 162 games it tends to cloud your judgement as to whether he is a valuable asset to the team.  Maybe we should bring ‘old cement legs back?

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7611 bski Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:06:43 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7611 <strong>Suede</strong>....Here's what the Phils think of him: "He's a great athlete, a great kid, with plus power and can be a front-line rightfielder," Phillies scouting director Marti Wolever said." "Power is always at a premium," Amaro said, "and, frankly, in our system in the upper levels, we have limited amounts of power. It was important to take a chance on this young man." Hmmm, a right-handed hitting corner outfielder with power.  Sound like anyone we <strong>might </strong>be losing? Suede….Here’s what the Phils think of him:

“He’s a great athlete, a great kid, with plus power and can be a front-line rightfielder,” Phillies scouting director Marti Wolever said.”

“Power is always at a premium,” Amaro said, “and, frankly, in our system in the upper levels, we have limited amounts of power. It was important to take a chance on this young man.”

Hmmm, a right-handed hitting corner outfielder with power.  Sound like anyone we might be losing?

]]> By: deepsixersuede http://www.reclinergm.com/phils-trade-once-top-prospect-golson/#comment-7610 deepsixersuede Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:44:24 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2768#comment-7610 A good gamble, though at 6!6" and 230 lbs. I wonder if the outfield is in his future. A good gamble, though at 6!6″ and 230 lbs. I wonder if the outfield is in his future.

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