Comments on: Sixers Rumors: Finally Dumping Sammy, Gain Cap Space? http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/ Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers & Phillies fans Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:44:43 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dannie http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23474 Dannie Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:37:47 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23474 <p>I listened to it too and <a href="../sixers-back-to-work-against-bobcats/" target="_self" rel="nofollow">posted the link to it and some thoughts on today's game thread here</a>.</p> I listened to it too and posted the link to it and some thoughts on today’s game thread here.

]]> By: Zack http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23473 Zack Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:28:19 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23473 jjg, thanks, I just listened to it.  What stuck in my mind the most - he's not trading the "young guys" because the organization is going to develop them and they're going to get better.  That should be the last straw in a year or two - if our young guys still suck, Stef and company (DiLeo, Witte) need to go in a major house-cleaning. Also, he says he's talked to other teams about the "young guys", but he says the fans won't like what those other teams are willing to trade for them...  I'm a horrible negotiator, and I recognize other horrible negotiators, and this Stefanski guy, I don't think he's a good negotiator.  I think he's the kind of guy who settles on "even" trades, and even if there was an even trade that he wants to make, he doesn't have the charisma and skill to cajole the other guy to go through with it, IMO. jjg, thanks, I just listened to it.  What stuck in my mind the most – he’s not trading the “young guys” because the organization is going to develop them and they’re going to get better.  That should be the last straw in a year or two – if our young guys still suck, Stef and company (DiLeo, Witte) need to go in a major house-cleaning.

Also, he says he’s talked to other teams about the “young guys”, but he says the fans won’t like what those other teams are willing to trade for them…  I’m a horrible negotiator, and I recognize other horrible negotiators, and this Stefanski guy, I don’t think he’s a good negotiator.  I think he’s the kind of guy who settles on “even” trades, and even if there was an even trade that he wants to make, he doesn’t have the charisma and skill to cajole the other guy to go through with it, IMO.

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23470 jjg Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:35:18 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23470 Stefanski is now being interviewed on 950 AM/ 97.5 FM. Stefanski is now being interviewed on 950 AM/ 97.5 FM.

]]> By: tk76 http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23467 tk76 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:46:53 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23467 Zack, I think you can maybe with with a hybrid PF if you have a superman type center (Shaq or DHoward in their prime.)  But you can't win at a high level with an average C and Thad as your front court.  Also, I think Thad is a worse rebounder/defender in the post then other Hybrid 4's like Jamison and R. Lewis.   Upside for Thad at PF is a mix of Jamison and Warrick.  Upside at SF is much higher.  I can't name many Sf's who shoot over 50% from the field, score 20 ppg and are not in the Hall of Fame.  Not saying Thad will end up there, but eventually he can be a borderline all-star (Iguodala level) at SF.  Not sure he's an above average NBA starter at PF now or in the future. Zack, I think you can maybe with with a hybrid PF if you have a superman type center (Shaq or DHoward in their prime.)  But you can’t win at a high level with an average C and Thad as your front court.  Also, I think Thad is a worse rebounder/defender in the post then other Hybrid 4’s like Jamison and R. Lewis.
 
Upside for Thad at PF is a mix of Jamison and Warrick.  Upside at SF is much higher.  I can’t name many Sf’s who shoot over 50% from the field, score 20 ppg and are not in the Hall of Fame.  Not saying Thad will end up there, but eventually he can be a borderline all-star (Iguodala level) at SF.  Not sure he’s an above average NBA starter at PF now or in the future.

]]> By: tk76 http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23466 tk76 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:39:31 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23466 It depends on how Thad develops over the next 2 years.  He will be only 23 when he signs, so will likely be seen as having more upside then some of the guys you mentioned who signed their deals at 25-6.  And in the NBA people are often overpaid for potential.   I actually think in 2 years Thad will be scoring 20pt/game on 50%+ shooting (probably on a bad Sixer team unfortunately.)  So I'm guessing Thad will be (over)paid at 10M+/yr. It depends on how Thad develops over the next 2 years.  He will be only 23 when he signs, so will likely be seen as having more upside then some of the guys you mentioned who signed their deals at 25-6.  And in the NBA people are often overpaid for potential.
 
I actually think in 2 years Thad will be scoring 20pt/game on 50%+ shooting (probably on a bad Sixer team unfortunately.)  So I’m guessing Thad will be (over)paid at 10M+/yr.

]]> By: Zack http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23465 Zack Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:34:14 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23465 tk76, I have to be quick here - why do you have to learn if Thad/Iggy at SF/SG will work.  Those two at PF/SF work well enough, so why not focus on C, SG and PG?  Would you have a problem with Thad as a PF if Dwyane Wade was our SG? tk76, I have to be quick here – why do you have to learn if Thad/Iggy at SF/SG will work.  Those two at PF/SF work well enough, so why not focus on C, SG and PG?  Would you have a problem with Thad as a PF if Dwyane Wade was our SG?

]]> By: Dave T http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23464 Dave T Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:21:20 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23464 <strong>Other players to keep in mind when comparing to Thad's future salary: </strong> <strong> </strong> -Danny Granger signed for 5 years, $55 million (far superior player to Thad, although Thad is in his mold as a player a bit). -Ben Gordon has 5 years for $55 as well, I believe.  a similar deal (far superior player, can hoist a team on his back and take over a game). -Bargnani was 5 years, $50 million (threw him extra money given their projection of where he would be). -Josh Howard signed 5 years, $9.5 million a year (roughly) a few years back.  I'd say with where Thad will hopefully be in another year, this is a pretty accurate comparison. Other players to keep in mind when comparing to Thad’s future salary:


-Danny Granger signed for 5 years, $55 million (far superior player to Thad, although Thad is in his mold as a player a bit).
-Ben Gordon has 5 years for $55 as well, I believe.  a similar deal (far superior player, can hoist a team on his back and take over a game).
-Bargnani was 5 years, $50 million (threw him extra money given their projection of where he would be).
-Josh Howard signed 5 years, $9.5 million a year (roughly) a few years back.  I’d say with where Thad will hopefully be in another year, this is a pretty accurate comparison.

]]> By: Dave T http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23463 Dave T Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:16:02 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23463 ***Correction/brain fart: Iguodala definitely makes more then $12 per year, unfortunately.  If you break it down to per year averages, I think he's at $13 or 13.5.   <strong>Rudy Gay - </strong> He's a guy that I'm very curious to see how much he asks for, and then receives.  A few years ago teams might have overpaid him as much as the $11-12 million range, but in today's NBA economy he would probably get around $10 million per, and may set the barometer for other similar players in the same statistical mold.  I think it's safe to say <strong>Thad Young, </strong>by year 4, would be one rung on the ladder below Gay as far as production, and right in the $8.5 - 9 million range. ***Correction/brain fart: Iguodala definitely makes more then $12 per year, unfortunately.  If you break it down to per year averages, I think he’s at $13 or 13.5.
 
Rudy Gay – He’s a guy that I’m very curious to see how much he asks for, and then receives.  A few years ago teams might have overpaid him as much as the $11-12 million range, but in today’s NBA economy he would probably get around $10 million per, and may set the barometer for other similar players in the same statistical mold.  I think it’s safe to say Thad Young, by year 4, would be one rung on the ladder below Gay as far as production, and right in the $8.5 – 9 million range.

]]> By: Dave T http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23462 Dave T Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:04:22 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23462 <strong>Jkay - </strong>Time flies...I hadn't even entertained the idea of how much Thad would ask for.  If he continues on his steady improvement, I think it's reasonable to think that after his 4th year he could be averaging around 17-18 ppg, 6 boards, shooting 38% from 3.  <strong>Marvin Williams </strong>of the Hawks, a guy who is pretty much a 15 & 6 type of player that was also projected to keep improving, struck a deal around the $7.5 million range, off the top of my head.  20 ppg scorers that offer mediocre to excellent stats that are 5+ tend to make $10-12 million...Iguodala and Corey Maggette would be some examples.   I'd say Thad would seek around $10 million per.  Sixers would offer $8 or $8.5.  They'll agree to maybe $9? Jkay – Time flies…I hadn’t even entertained the idea of how much Thad would ask for.  If he continues on his steady improvement, I think it’s reasonable to think that after his 4th year he could be averaging around 17-18 ppg, 6 boards, shooting 38% from 3.  Marvin Williams of the Hawks, a guy who is pretty much a 15 & 6 type of player that was also projected to keep improving, struck a deal around the $7.5 million range, off the top of my head.  20 ppg scorers that offer mediocre to excellent stats that are 5+ tend to make $10-12 million…Iguodala and Corey Maggette would be some examples.
 
I’d say Thad would seek around $10 million per.  Sixers would offer $8 or $8.5.  They’ll agree to maybe $9?

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-rumors-finally-dumping-sammy-gain-cap-space/#comment-23461 jjg Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:53:38 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8057#comment-23461 AI2:  Getting past man, check (in pencil) ... unless man is strong defender, uncheck.  Being productive with dribble-acquired space and resultant options, still needs improvement.  Act is stale in Philly (6 years of a character actor billed as star); he's the guy with some value to move if Sixers are willing to face mirror, start fresh.  Gotta give to get (if they can find right fit).    AI2:  Getting past man, check (in pencil) … unless man is strong defender, uncheck.  Being productive with dribble-acquired space and resultant options, still needs improvement.  Act is stale in Philly (6 years of a character actor billed as star); he’s the guy with some value to move if Sixers are willing to face mirror, start fresh.  Gotta give to get (if they can find right fit).   

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