Comments on: Sixers vs. Detroit: Jordan Going for 11 in a Row http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/ Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers & Phillies fans Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:15:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Yung Geno http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24825 Yung Geno Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:14:52 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24825 Someone Sabotaged Eddie Jordan's wikipedia page Someone Sabotaged Eddie Jordan’s wikipedia page

]]> By: tk76 http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24822 tk76 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:54:49 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24822 a.  yes we have talent, but mostly 19-23 year olds.  No vet glue guy like Andre Miller to keep everyone on the same page.  Thought Iguodala could step intop that role, but he is to concerned about himself and non-calls and how things effect him.   b.  Chemistry is the same deal.  Miller masked a lot of weaknesses.  Coaching could mask some fit problems, but EJ is the ultimate pound the square peg into the round hole kind of coach.  He'd rather lose his way then adapt his system.   c.  I agree Brand (and Iguodala's) deals limit the team's chances to be aggressive to bring in a star.  That is partly why getting a high lottery pick this year could be a blessing.  It's their only legit shot at a star in the next few years (even if it is a long shot.)   d.  No budding superstar (until after this draft) but I still enjoy seeing how all of the young players do.  Really enjoy Jrue's approach to being a PG and defense.  Speights is an offensive beast, but I don't think he has the make-up of a star.  He needs a bigger star to push him to tap into his talent. a.  yes we have talent, but mostly 19-23 year olds.  No vet glue guy like Andre Miller to keep everyone on the same page.  Thought Iguodala could step intop that role, but he is to concerned about himself and non-calls and how things effect him.
 
b.  Chemistry is the same deal.  Miller masked a lot of weaknesses.  Coaching could mask some fit problems, but EJ is the ultimate pound the square peg into the round hole kind of coach.  He’d rather lose his way then adapt his system.
 
c.  I agree Brand (and Iguodala’s) deals limit the team’s chances to be aggressive to bring in a star.  That is partly why getting a high lottery pick this year could be a blessing.  It’s their only legit shot at a star in the next few years (even if it is a long shot.)
 
d.  No budding superstar (until after this draft) but I still enjoy seeing how all of the young players do.  Really enjoy Jrue’s approach to being a PG and defense.  Speights is an offensive beast, but I don’t think he has the make-up of a star.  He needs a bigger star to push him to tap into his talent.

]]> By: Dave T http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24820 Dave T Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:17:00 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24820 <strong>Tk76 - </strong>You just mentioned what, for me, is "The Name That Shall Not Be Spoken"...aka: <strong>Johnny Davis</strong>.  Now THAT is a truly terrible coach.  He was so, so SO freaking awful Iverson's rookie year (or did he have the Vernon Maxwell/Stackhouse year as well?)...just literally let the players run all over him.  Got his second chance as interum coach for half a season in Orlando as well in the early 00's, and again proved his incompetence.  Truly couldn't stand that guy.   <strong>Comparing this 76ers team with the 1993 -95 years: </strong>Those teams at least were truly TERRIBLE and we knew it.  I mean...Trevor Ruffin, Willie Burton, Jeff Malone, Scott Williams, Sean Bradley, Richard Dumas...these teams were just laughably depleted of talent.  When Clarence Weatherspoon (still one of my all time fav. Sixers from the 90's, along with Hersey Hawkins!) is one of your go to scorers, you are in trouble.   What's most frustrating, and I'd argue more frustrating with team, is three things:   a.  We actually HAVE talent on the roster.  Iguodala, Thad, Brand, Speights...possibly Jrue?...we can all harp on their weaknesses all we want (there are many) and how they fit on our team...but fact is they are all good players that can ball in some respect, and on other teams would probably be having more of an impact.  The 93-95 years had NONE.   b.  We have the opposite problem as the AI era; with him, we had an alpha option on offense and a bunch of 4th and 5th options, desperately needed some 2nd and 3rd legit options.  This team has a bunch of legit 3rd options on offense, and still no dynamo scorer.  Would be great if they clicked chemistry wise...but they havent gelled at all.  Yuck.  And the 93-95 era had such a hodgepodge of talent, we treated it like NY fans treat the 08-10 Knicks...just happy when something goes right.  We knew how much of a mess they were going to be.   c.  The albatross near max contract with Brand set us back years.  Nothing more I can add there.  At least in '93 - '95 we hadn't locked up our financial flexibility yet and weren't paying enormous numbers to people.   d.  We don't yet have a young star to groom.  We have a pretty good collection of nice players (Speights, Thad (maybe)...Jrue (maybe)) but no guy that we can BANK on.  Although I have said from the get go that I thought Speights was a 20/10 lock. Tk76 – You just mentioned what, for me, is “The Name That Shall Not Be Spoken”…aka: Johnny Davis.  Now THAT is a truly terrible coach.  He was so, so SO freaking awful Iverson’s rookie year (or did he have the Vernon Maxwell/Stackhouse year as well?)…just literally let the players run all over him.  Got his second chance as interum coach for half a season in Orlando as well in the early 00’s, and again proved his incompetence.  Truly couldn’t stand that guy.
 
Comparing this 76ers team with the 1993 -95 years: Those teams at least were truly TERRIBLE and we knew it.  I mean…Trevor Ruffin, Willie Burton, Jeff Malone, Scott Williams, Sean Bradley, Richard Dumas…these teams were just laughably depleted of talent.  When Clarence Weatherspoon (still one of my all time fav. Sixers from the 90’s, along with Hersey Hawkins!) is one of your go to scorers, you are in trouble.
 
What’s most frustrating, and I’d argue more frustrating with team, is three things:
 
a.  We actually HAVE talent on the roster.  Iguodala, Thad, Brand, Speights…possibly Jrue?…we can all harp on their weaknesses all we want (there are many) and how they fit on our team…but fact is they are all good players that can ball in some respect, and on other teams would probably be having more of an impact.  The 93-95 years had NONE.
 
b.  We have the opposite problem as the AI era; with him, we had an alpha option on offense and a bunch of 4th and 5th options, desperately needed some 2nd and 3rd legit options.  This team has a bunch of legit 3rd options on offense, and still no dynamo scorer.  Would be great if they clicked chemistry wise…but they havent gelled at all.  Yuck.  And the 93-95 era had such a hodgepodge of talent, we treated it like NY fans treat the 08-10 Knicks…just happy when something goes right.  We knew how much of a mess they were going to be.
 
c.  The albatross near max contract with Brand set us back years.  Nothing more I can add there.  At least in ‘93 – ‘95 we hadn’t locked up our financial flexibility yet and weren’t paying enormous numbers to people.
 
d.  We don’t yet have a young star to groom.  We have a pretty good collection of nice players (Speights, Thad (maybe)…Jrue (maybe)) but no guy that we can BANK on.  Although I have said from the get go that I thought Speights was a 20/10 lock.

]]> By: jkay http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24818 jkay Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:30:55 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24818 Andre Iguodala missed a wide open shot. how many times have we seen that already? how many times have we seen it from every other Sixer player? he was the open man. Iverson did it right. he missed. we suck. that should be enough right? Eddie Jordan has killed our season already. Firing him means we might actually start to win. I cant really believe what I am seeing with my eyes, we continue to lose but we are actually playing worse with each game. the dropoff from the Boston game is gi-normous! Iguodala's play despite popular opinion is no worse than it was before, Sammy is playing very well lately, Elton Brand is looking <strong>very</strong> salvageable, Thad is shooting the ball better now (check 3pt% lately), AI is not killing us on defense, Willie Green is still contributing in his own way. Nothing has changed that much, yet we are really sucking it up. when did we start scoring just 86 measly points against a short handed Detroit squad? I couldnt believe my eyes watching that game ast night. Can one man really be responsible for all that? Andre Iguodala missed a wide open shot. how many times have we seen that already? how many times have we seen it from every other Sixer player? he was the open man. Iverson did it right. he missed. we suck. that should be enough right?

Eddie Jordan has killed our season already. Firing him means we might actually start to win.

I cant really believe what I am seeing with my eyes, we continue to lose but we are actually playing worse with each game. the dropoff from the Boston game is gi-normous! Iguodala’s play despite popular opinion is no worse than it was before, Sammy is playing very well lately, Elton Brand is looking very salvageable, Thad is shooting the ball better now (check 3pt% lately), AI is not killing us on defense, Willie Green is still contributing in his own way. Nothing has changed that much, yet we are really sucking it up. when did we start scoring just 86 measly points against a short handed Detroit squad? I couldnt believe my eyes watching that game ast night.
Can one man really be responsible for all that?

]]> By: tk76 http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24815 tk76 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:19:58 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24815 Since I can't post pics here...   http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=942773&p=21559214#p21559214 Since I can’t post pics here…
 
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=942773&p=21559214#p21559214

]]> By: tk76 http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24813 tk76 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:08:15 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24813 Although EJ is more of a Doug Mo than Davis. Although EJ is more of a Doug Mo than Davis.

]]> By: tk76 http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24812 tk76 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:05:45 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24812 If EJ is to be on the hot seat, I'm thinking ES has to be too.  Sort of like Greenberg/Davis. If EJ is to be on the hot seat, I’m thinking ES has to be too.  Sort of like Greenberg/Davis.

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24811 jjg Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:55:03 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24811 After Williams & Speights return, if losses continue to mount and attendance continues to thin (from AI homecoming night apex), Jordan's time will be short. After Williams & Speights return, if losses continue to mount and attendance continues to thin (from AI homecoming night apex), Jordan’s time will be short.

]]> By: Dannie http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24809 Dannie Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:43:08 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24809 <p>They held on to Cheeks for the rest of the season, one more full (losing) season and 23 games of the follow season after that 12 game losing streak.</p> <p>Hmmm.</p> <p>Will Eddie Jordan get the same leeway?</p> They held on to Cheeks for the rest of the season, one more full (losing) season and 23 games of the follow season after that 12 game losing streak.

Hmmm.

Will Eddie Jordan get the same leeway?

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/sixers-vs-detroit-jordan-going-for-11-in-a-row/#comment-24808 jjg Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:40:23 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8550#comment-24808 A team including Ivan McFarlin and Shavlik Randolph on a 12 game slide - hard to fathom.  A team including Ivan McFarlin and Shavlik Randolph on a 12 game slide – hard to fathom. 

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