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Sixers/Celtics Recap and Moving On

by Dannie on February 4, 2009

Last night I wasn’t much in the typing mood after a snowy and frustrated drive home.  But I wanted to elaborate on a couple of things and then move on.  We shouldn’t let the hated Celtics occupy too much of our brain capacity and emotions.

Ray Allen’s Game Winning Three and Thaddeus Young

In the timeouts before the Celtics inbounded on the sideline with 6.8 seconds left, Sixers coach Tony DiLeo called for switches on all screens.

Young said he thought that Dalembert — guarding Davis — would switch onto Allen in the corner. Young said, for some reason, Dalembert (with whom I did not get a chance to speak) didn’t make the switch. Young said when he saw this, he tried to recover to Allen but couldn’t get there in time. Young called this a miscommunication. Young said that immediately after the game, a few of the Sixers watched the replay of the final sequence on the television in the locker room. – Kate Fagan, Deep Sixer

First off we could easily debate the decision to blindly switch all screens.  That might have been OK if Dileo was able to get Willie on the floo,r but he couldn’t.  At that point there should have been an amendment to the switching strategy.  I think it would have been smarter to say stay glued to the shooters and only switch pick-and-rolls. But like I said that is debatable coaching philosophy given the situation.

By the way if they were switching all screens, why didn’t Royal Ivey switch the initial screen that freed Paul Piece and forced Iguodala to scramble off-balanced to recover on Pierce?  In essence Ivey helped to set a double screen on Iguodala.  If you look at the video had Ivey switched that pass could have been taken away or stolen if Ray still makes the pass.

Second, the defense called was to switch all screens, not completely forget who you are defending.  Some have said Thad “over helped,” I think that is a complete understatement.  If you watch the play as soon as Ray made the pass to Pierce, Thaddeus completely checked out of his responsibilities for guarding Allen.  He didn’t look at Allen or move at all once the ball was passed. That left him positioned in no man’s land.

Third, I don’t think I saw a quote that said the strategy was to go immediately double Paul Pierce or any ball handler on the perimeter that begins to penetrate.  I don’t think Iguodala was beat enough for it to be a help situation anyway.  And I have to imagine Dileo said don’t help off three-point shooters since that is the shot that can beat you.  Pierce drove with the intention of drawing help, passing for a game winner.  Thad took the bait.  But the fact of the matter is he shouldn’t have even been there.  That wasn’t his help.  That was Sammy’s job to help on penetration there, which he was perfectly positioned to do so.

Looking at the play again you see exactly when the lightbulb turns on for Thad that he completely forgot he was guarding Ray Allen, and he actually starts to turn and find him even before Pierce picks the ball up and goes into his passing motion.  That right there suggests to me Thad knew he screwed up.  Because of his poor defensive positioning he was an easy target to get hit with a nice back screen.  If he had stayed with Allen in the first place, that screen would have been much tougher to make because it wouldn’t have come at the elbow; it would have come closer to the three point line making that pass tougher to make as well.  I thought Sam’s position was fine; he was protecting the basket against any drives, and there was no need to hug up on Big Baby.  Sam was fully prepared to stop any penetration.

Once all the initial defensive laps occurred in a perfect world, Dalembert not only sees and is prepared for Pierce’s drive he also sees in his peripheral vision that Davis is setting a screen on Thad.  He would then have to decide whether to abandon his paint defensive responsibilities and anticipate the pass to Allen or stay home and guard against any drive.  He makes the right read and gets a little closer on the switch to make a better contest or block on the Allen three.

With all that said, the Sixers as a team defensively were bad on that play starting with Ivey not switching the first screen and taking the ball out of Pierce’s hands which would have been the ideal situation from the start. Thad not stayed with Allen after he passed the ball and trusting that Sam would be there to protect against the drive.  And Sam would have made the right read and took the skip pass away or been there to highly contest or block the shot.  Blame is there for everyone including Dileo.  To which percentage you place is up to each individual’s interpretation.

Honestly, all that is besides the point for me.  Thad’s comment pisses me off in a big way.  Rather than assuming any responsibility for the play on his own and the team in general he quickly passes blame to the guy everyone loves to point the finger at, likely knowing everyone will take that and run with it (as they have) and overlook his mistake on the play.  He said they watched the play in the locker room.  Why then didn’t he comment on Ivey not switching or his own complete lack of fundamental defensive positioning and call his own judgment that had him forget who he was guarding into question?  That’s what a winner does.  MAN UP, kid.  Even if the play was more Sam’s fault (which it wasn’t) the right thing to do was talk about his own play first and the team in general second.  Not call out one individual.  Win as a team, lose as a team, right?

Thad’s comments speak to his Bitchassness in my opinion.  I know I will probably take heat for that comment since Young is everyone’s favorite player.  The anointed golden boy of the Sixers and the player everyone seems to think is destined to be great.  But I hold to my opinion of him.  He is soft until proven otherwise (1 board in 36 minutes at PF?).  Bitchassness

Listen, don’t take my word for it.  But don’t take Kate Fagan’s or anyone else’s word for it either.  You all watched the game and the play.  Likely numerous times.  Come to your own conclusion.  I’ve simply just stated mine.

If you want a strong breakdown of the play that isn’t simply based on the fact that Thad just said “we were suppose to switch” check out Brian over at Depressed Fan.  It’s quick and to the point with good screen shots.  If you want what I consider to be mis-reads on the play based only on what Thad said and not actually dissecting the play with an understanding of how defense is supposed to be played from start to finish check out Fagan, The Sports Complex.

Update: Sammy’s response to the broken play…

I blame myself because as a defender it’s my job to see the whole floor from behind – Sammy

Andre Miller…

Teams tend to point fingers.  But we don’t want to fall into that trap. – Philly.com

Speaks for itself.  Although Fagan has softened her stance, her love for Thad still won’t allow her to place the majority of the blame on him.  Luckily longtime poster, Statman is trying to keep her straight over at Deep Sixer.

Moving On

Sixers fall back below .500 and continue the struggle maintaining any sort of momentum.  The one thing I love about basketball is you usually don’t have to wait very long to get back on the court and move on from the last loss.  They get to do that against the Pacers at home tomorrow.

There have been a bunch of reports about Elton Brand possibly being shut down for some undisclosed period of time.  He didn’t play the entire second half against Boston and has indicated stiffness and the inability to fully extend his arm.  That has had an adverse effect on his shooting.  Tom Moore commented on the blog today with this quote from Dileo…

DiLeo today on Brand: “We’re still working him into the lineup. We’re not thinking about Elton shutting down (because of the shoulder).”

Looks like the reports of him being shut down are inaccurate.  The question: is shutting Brand down the right decision anyway?  I think yes for a couple reasons.

  • If he is going to continue to be ineffective he won’t be much help anyway.
  • Do you really want to keep putting an unhealthy and struggling Elton Brand on the court only to lose support of the fans after only one season?  I know it’s a business, and they still need to sell tickets in this economy.
  • The Sixers have proven they can make due without him.
  • It’s only season one of a 5-year deal.  I would much rather shut him down for as long as it takes to get him 100%.  If that means keeping him out until the last week or two of the season to get some tune-up games going into the playoffs, so be it.  If that means shutting him down for the remainder of the season and going at it without him entirely, so be it.  Most important thing is to get dude right ASAP because we are invested in him long-term.

February 19th is fast approaching, and there are plenty of rumors floating around in the major media and the Sixers forums.  I have a post about my thoughts on the upcoming trade deadline in the works for this weekend.

Idea

I was thinking about creating a running post all about potential trades the Sixers could/should make.  But I want it to be all reader-generated.  Meaning you guys submit trades and I will post them attributed to you.  That way we get a nice variety and differing view points that can be evaluated by the Recliner GM community, and if someone’s proposed deal actually happens you will look like a genius publicly.  I don’t have a definitive format for this yet but one inclusion would be the link to ESPN trade machine to ensure the deal works financially.  You guys all have some good ideas and different opinions than Pete and I do.  I’d love to get you more involved on the blog and give you a forum to express them.  Let me know what you think.

Update: This idea is underway.

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February 4, 2009

{ 20 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Ryan F 02.04.09 at 11:48 pm

I’m with you Dannie, the last person to point the finger at would be Dalembert.  That was Thad and Thad alone.  You cannot let that much space between you and one of the greatest shooters of all time.  There was no need to help that much on Pierce.   The whole defense really sucked some ass on the last couple possessions.

2 deepsixersuede 02.05.09 at 12:16 am

Dannie, I don!t understand the need for all the switching with our SOCALLED athletes we have. Just fight through the screens and funnel the drivers into Sammy. And I am getting real tired of all the mismatches this causes also. As far as the trade scenerio, you know I am all for playing G.M.

3 Ken 02.05.09 at 1:22 am

At this point the real stories are how the Sixers rarely win a big game (sound familar Eagles fans?) at home and how inexperienced and immature they continue to be. Thad is a kid who will make kid mistakes. So is Lou, Speights, and even Iggy. This is a fairy young team with great upside. We are seeing the growing pains. To me the biggest disappointment is how this team breaksdown immediately upon having a .500 record. This tells me that they are not ready for prime time yet. This year don’t expect the surge during the second half. Since the Sixers realistically aren’t going anywhere the next question to ask is why keep Andre Miller?

4 Mike 02.05.09 at 1:52 am

i actually completely agree with you about thad.  he looked very good in the beginning of the season, but he has not progressed since.  there are some parts of his game i just flat out do not like.  his inability to get to the foul line, and paltry rebounding are my two biggest concerns, especially since he has the tools to excel in each category.  i’m not sure what it will take to get him over the hump.  he is so young, so there is still plenty to be optimistic about.  and one thing i did like last night was that even though his shot was not falling, he remained aggressive and made a couple big baskets taking it strong to the hoop.  we need to see more of that.

5 Ryan F 02.05.09 at 2:40 am

Mike – I agree  but in the last year I have only seen Thad take it STRONG to the hoop once or twice.  Someone needs to tell that kid to jam that shit on someones head, and stop with that soft ass layup stuff when he is physically capable of stuffing it home.

6 Brian 02.05.09 at 2:45 am

Dannie,

Thad’s lack of board work has been beyond disappointing. I say disappointing because we know he’s capable. It’s an effort thing. Fagan softened her stance a little today, but that article last night had me fuming.

I’ll kick off the trade idea with one that has about a -20% chance of happening, but may make sense for both teams.

Sixers send Miller, Thad, Evans and a conditional #1 pick to Phoenix for Amare. Phoenix gets a young wing, a backup for Nash for this season, and some interior toughness. Miller’s contract comes off the books this summer, putting Phoenix below the luxury tax threshold next year. The Sixers get Amare, obviously.

Here’s the Trade Machine link

7 jjg 02.05.09 at 9:07 am

Ima Guest & Morty,  “Big Balls” Iguodala was being dictated to by Pierce the entire play.  Did Iguodala anticipate and jump or blow up screen?  No.  Did he prevent Pierce from catching Allen pass?  No.  Did he prevent dribble penetration?  No.  Did he disrupt or prevent Pierce skip pass to Allen in corner?  No.  I repeat, he did not exactly distinguish
himself as a good defender on that play
.  I add, he was, in effect, “Shrink Balls” in his final responsibilty of the game … geek reactive mode as opposed to steely-thinking, stop mode; was probably still hyperventilating over his made jumpshot.

I agree with Dannie, last defensive “stand” was a team effort, coaching included.

8 tk76 02.05.09 at 9:29 am

I have already criticized Thad enough yesterday, so today I’ll stick to the positives.  It is amazing to see how close he came to contesting the shot given how unbelievably out of position he was just a second ofr two before.  His length and athletasism give him the potential to be a great defender.  Given he is 20 and has a good attitude (throwing Sam under the bus not-withstanding) I expect Thad/Iguodala to be a great defensive wing combo in a couple of years.

Unfortunately, when you are relying on such a young player there will be ajor bumps on the road.  Also, I agree he needs to draw more contact/fouls on his drives and dramatically improve his handle.  But these are correctable things.  As for rebounding- he rebounds well for his size, but he really is in no way a PF.

9 Morty 02.05.09 at 10:53 am

Thad certainly is not a PF, but his rebounding is inconsistent, not matter the position. A lot of that might be due to him trying to take off for the break.

As for Igoudala, was he perfect? No. But did he take away the 3 point shot, and funnel Pierce towards waiting help in Dalembert? Yes. Pierce’s options would have then been to shoot over Dalembert or pass out to Davis. Worst case scenario: OT.

The team loses as a whole, and I also dislike the “switch everything” approach since I feel it leads to too much scarmbling, but you can’t tell me that Thad being caught flat footed staring at Pierce while Allen ran to the corner is not the reason the play went down as it did.

10 jjg 02.05.09 at 11:33 am

Morty,  Funnel??  That implies strategic, executed action.  After his desperate recovering lunge with right arm extended at Pierce to discourage a 3 attempt, his back was to Pierce momentarily.  The only funneling that took place was a Sixers win down drain.  As I said in different words before, as a defensive player he was not in control and was effectively used.  Case in point against defensive stalwart talk.  6 seconds of deny defense was the task.  Didn’t succeed.  With ball inbounded on opposite side top, he should’ve never been hung up by that pick.  Also, as stated earlier, others share the blame in one possession fold.

11 Tom Moore 02.05.09 at 11:42 am

When defending Allen in that situation, it’s best to do the opposite of what is taught (stay between your man and the basket). A defend needs to trail Allen to try to force him to drive, where he’s less dangerous.

Switching worked well at the end of the Houston game (Dalembert sliding over to block McGrady’s 3-pointer following a top-of-the-key pick from Yao), but backfired vs. Boston.

12 RRose 02.05.09 at 11:45 am

Ok, have to admit this wasn’t put into the trade machine but my ideal trade would be.  Sam/A Miller to Toronto for Bargnani/Calderon.  What that does is allow perimeter shooting from the center spot and the pg.  Sixers get much younger at the pg spot and opens the floor for slashers like iggy and thad.  If there has to be a conditional 2nd round pick in there to make up money so be it.   This will also allow a health EB get in the post with less double teams with shooters on the floor.

13 jjg 02.05.09 at 12:16 pm

OK, that’s an option, trail or bait once ball gets to Allen’s hands.  But in Tuesday situation, Sixers gotta have a defender who is smart enough and able to deny Allen that corner catch/opportunity through focus, anticipation, playing passing angles effectively.  As Allen was #1 or #2 weapon, assigned defender should’ve been in his shirt.

As for switching, that only adds to decision-making.  Should keep
things simple for an immature team, especially in pressure situations.  If switching was the bench call, Ivey failed at it, and Dalembert failed at it - why?  Were all aware of strategy as ball was inbounded?  If so, why wasn’t it played out that way?  Sam had a perfect view to see Young in trouble, Allen sliding open in corner; an instinctive player would’ve gotten out to better contest the shot in clock-down situation.     

14 Dannie 02.05.09 at 12:38 pm

RRose - I don’t see why Toronto does that deal.  I am pretty sure they really like Calderon next to Bosh is probably last on the list of guys they would trade unless they get back an all-star.

15 Rob 02.05.09 at 12:54 pm
16 RRose 02.05.09 at 1:06 pm

Isn’t Bosh one of those high profile 2010 Free Agents?  Miller money comes off the books I’m sure they will need a ton of money to keep Bosh from going some place else.   Just a thought. 

17 Dannie 02.05.09 at 1:24 pm

They have Jermaine O’Neal’s nearly $23 million salary coming off the book the summer of 2010 already.  Bargnani will be a restricted free agent that summer as well so his $6.5 can come off if the Raptors so choose.

Calderon is a piece they need in place so Toronto even has a team with a couple solid players in place to surround Bosh with. 

Sam could work there if he accepts his role as just a rebounder and defender.  They could use some more help on the defensive end inside, but they won’t take his salary for the exact reason you mentioned above.  That can’t have too much salary if they want to make a big offer to Bosh and Sam’s contract runs until the summer of 2011.  Right now Toronto only has two players under contract for the 2011 season.

18 jkay 02.05.09 at 1:29 pm

Dannie: writing a post bout the last play of the game is not helping much. everyone is just lingering and complaining bout one play. how many times has the sixers D broken down to allow a wide open 3 (Thad being culprit 75% of the time)? its a lot. what made you think tuesday would be different? this is not constructive; i guess that play embodies our faults and weaknesses, sort of, but its not gonna change anytime soon so no reason getting amped up bout it. it is what it is. if somehow he had rimmed, there would be instant amnesia and a headline showing the scrappy 6ers halting the win streak.

Can’t believe Young said that? Gotta read the Fagan article. Wow! well least he’s showing his age.

I kinda enjoyed the Celts game even wit that shot. Iggy was celebrating a lil too much after the shot over pierce. well he’s still young, guess he’s not done that much. was a good feeling for a while. was suprised PP didnt take the shot himself and passed. old pierce wud have done so pronto to stick it in dala’s face. 2 tough losses! say what you will bout being undisciplined, they are resilient, they will come out strong against pesky Pacers.

Lost in all the drama  was Brand benched for most of game. missing today’s game. hmmm…

Brian: everyone say Phoenix has a fleeting chance at title and the old guys, shaq and Nash would hang it up soon, why would they trade away their ONLY legit YOUNG player (all-star) for anybody at all? does that make sense to any GM.

have fun wit the trade talk ppl (guess we’re back to that now). I am enjoying the games still. They may not move that quick, but they are learning some new tricks, progress is steady, albeit not fast enough to do much, but i’ll take that.

19 Dannie 02.05.09 at 1:59 pm

Jkay – About Phoenix.  It’s been rumored that Kerr and management haven’t been happy with Amare’s progress especially on the defensive end and on the boards.  I think they are in the tank deciding if they want to blow it up completely and start fresh.  Also they have to factor in that Amare could choose to just bounce as a free agent and leave them with nothing in return.  If they go that route Phoenix would be a desirable location for free agents.

20 RRose 02.05.09 at 4:10 pm

Reports, Brand out for season.

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