Comments on: Stefanski You F’d Up! http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/ Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers & Phillies fans Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:49:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: tk76 http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23392 tk76 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:09:36 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23392 I agree.  Lawson has found himself in an excellent situation.  The Denver offense is a good complement to his skills (basically the same offense he ran so well at UNC.)  He is much better served slipping to Denver than had he been drafted by the Clippers of the East (Sixers.)   Here is a good article praising Lawson and how Denver has been a good fit: sports.yahoo. com/nba/news;_ylt=Aoz1wSUdW9NkqeOf7tKV8YS8vLYF?slug=ap-nuggets-lawson&prov=ap&type=lgns   (remove the space before "com" for the link to work) I agree.  Lawson has found himself in an excellent situation.  The Denver offense is a good complement to his skills (basically the same offense he ran so well at UNC.)  He is much better served slipping to Denver than had he been drafted by the Clippers of the East (Sixers.)
 
Here is a good article praising Lawson and how Denver has been a good fit:
sports.yahoo. com/nba/news;_ylt=Aoz1wSUdW9NkqeOf7tKV8YS8vLYF?slug=ap-nuggets-lawson&prov=ap&type=lgns
 
(remove the space before “com” for the link to work)

]]> By: Ed R. http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23390 Ed R. Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:34:20 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23390 Doesn't hurt that Lawson has one of the best floor generals in the game in Billups guiding him along. Doesn’t hurt that Lawson has one of the best floor generals in the game in Billups guiding him along.

]]> By: tk76 http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23377 tk76 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:28:52 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23377 Dannie, I guess put it this way, I was not disappointed the Sixers got AI instead of drafting Kobe.  That year they had the #1 pick and they needed to end up with a superstar.  they got one- even if Kobe turned out to be even better.   This year they had the #17 pick.  We knew a few promising PG's would slip to that spot.  I hope the one they got turns out to be a quality starter- which would be great for a #17 pick.  At #17 there will likely always be a few players taken later who turn out to be better- often at the same position.  That's just the reality given picking at #17 is a bit of a crapshoot (the average #17 pick will turn out to be a marginal NBA player.)   In your case ui realize you were locked in on Lawson, and viewed him as a guy that should have gone top 5.  I would have been happy with Lawson, Holiday or Jennings.  They all seemed to have at least a shot at being really quality NBA PG's (although the 19 year olds were much riskier picks.)  I've been shocked by Jennings early success.  Lawson I expected to contribute right away.  Jrue we'll just have to wait and see.   But at #17, even if they swing and miss I would not consider it a colossal error like if you drafted a top 8 pick and they were a bust.  I realize in your mind Lawson was a sure thing, and you may be right.  I'm certainly not rooting against him. Dannie, I guess put it this way, I was not disappointed the Sixers got AI instead of drafting Kobe.  That year they had the #1 pick and they needed to end up with a superstar.  they got one- even if Kobe turned out to be even better.
 
This year they had the #17 pick.  We knew a few promising PG’s would slip to that spot.  I hope the one they got turns out to be a quality starter- which would be great for a #17 pick.  At #17 there will likely always be a few players taken later who turn out to be better- often at the same position.  That’s just the reality given picking at #17 is a bit of a crapshoot (the average #17 pick will turn out to be a marginal NBA player.)
 
In your case ui realize you were locked in on Lawson, and viewed him as a guy that should have gone top 5.  I would have been happy with Lawson, Holiday or Jennings.  They all seemed to have at least a shot at being really quality NBA PG’s (although the 19 year olds were much riskier picks.)  I’ve been shocked by Jennings early success.  Lawson I expected to contribute right away.  Jrue we’ll just have to wait and see.
 
But at #17, even if they swing and miss I would not consider it a colossal error like if you drafted a top 8 pick and they were a bust.  I realize in your mind Lawson was a sure thing, and you may be right.  I’m certainly not rooting against him.

]]> By: deepsixersuede http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23375 deepsixersuede Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:13:32 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23375 I remember somebody saying their freshman year numbers were very comparable in college  and he has the size, seems a little quicker, and his shot shows promise. Basically going by his H.S. pedigree and the fact that at 19 he doesn!t seem to be overmatched when given time. I remember somebody saying their freshman year numbers were very comparable in college  and he has the size, seems a little quicker, and his shot shows promise. Basically going by his H.S. pedigree and the fact that at 19 he doesn!t seem to be overmatched when given time.

]]> By: guest http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23374 guest Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:10:36 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23374 Just on a side note. I wish there was some way we could get Byron Scott.   Chris Paul has admitted publicly that Scott made him into the player he is today.  Paul wasn't the best PG in the world coming out of college.  Scott would be great to have to try and mold Lou/Jrue into effective point guards.  More so Jrue, considering Lou isn't your prototypical PG.  Scott also coached Jason Kidd and the Nets to the Finals a couple years back. Just on a side note.
I wish there was some way we could get Byron Scott.
 
Chris Paul has admitted publicly that Scott made him into the player he is today.  Paul wasn’t the best PG in the world coming out of college.  Scott would be great to have to try and mold Lou/Jrue into effective point guards.  More so Jrue, considering Lou isn’t your prototypical PG.  Scott also coached Jason Kidd and the Nets to the Finals a couple years back.

]]> By: Dannie http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23372 Dannie Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:53:51 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23372 <p><strong><em>Suede</em></strong> - Deron Williams?  Really?  That's what you think Jrue's ceiling is?</p> <p>What leads you to believe that?</p> Suede – Deron Williams?  Really?  That’s what you think Jrue’s ceiling is?

What leads you to believe that?

]]> By: Dannie http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23371 Dannie Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:53:05 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23371 <p><strong><em>TK76</em></strong> - I don't agree.  But this will probably be a matter of agreeing to disagree I guess.</p> <p>First off it's not at all like the NFL.  Those draft are completely different.</p> <p>In the NFL you have a ton of rounds and a bazillion picks there is a much great margin for error since you can pick so many guys in so many positions.</p> <p>With that said if you pick xyz quarterback ahead of xyz HOF quarterback when you biggest need was quarterback you made a horrible mistake anyway you look at it.  It maybe in hindsight but it's a mistake none the less.</p> <p>In the NBA you usually get just one shot to get it right which puts so much more emphasis (all) on your first pick.</p> <p>Also, I think there are multiple ways a pick can be looked on as being bad.</p> <p>You stated the obvious one.  If the guy you picked is a bust it's a bad pick regardless of who was after him.  The other players don't really matter since you picked a dud.</p> <p>It's also a mistake when their are multiple players at the position you are drafting for and guys that go after your pick end up being much more successful.</p> <p>By your logic if I pick Andre Iguodala and pass on say Paul Pierce or Carmelo Anthony etc etc and I need a starting small forward that isn't a mistake because I got a decent starter in Iguodala regardless if I passed on better players in the same position.  That's a success?</p> <p>Please clarify your thinking for me so I fully understand.</p> <p>In this case I thought Ty was worlds better than Jrue at the time of drafting and fit exactly what we needed on this team.  That's all.  I have a different drafting strategy than Stefanski and others.  I like proven players, with proven skills who also have room to grow.  I don't like pure raw talents with no proven production at a high level.</p> <p>And let me repeat...</p> <p>I like Jrue and if you saw my 10 Games In post I would be starting him.  If we had Ty I would be starting him as well.</p> <p>The only difference: I think Ty would be having a much great impact.</p> <p>As always time will tell.  But I think whether it's a mistake or not is how the careers end up after 3-5 years.  We should have a pretty clear idea who is and will be the better player after that.  Hopefully it's Jrue I just don't see it happening.</p> TK76 – I don’t agree.  But this will probably be a matter of agreeing to disagree I guess.

First off it’s not at all like the NFL.  Those draft are completely different.

In the NFL you have a ton of rounds and a bazillion picks there is a much great margin for error since you can pick so many guys in so many positions.

With that said if you pick xyz quarterback ahead of xyz HOF quarterback when you biggest need was quarterback you made a horrible mistake anyway you look at it.  It maybe in hindsight but it’s a mistake none the less.

In the NBA you usually get just one shot to get it right which puts so much more emphasis (all) on your first pick.

Also, I think there are multiple ways a pick can be looked on as being bad.

You stated the obvious one.  If the guy you picked is a bust it’s a bad pick regardless of who was after him.  The other players don’t really matter since you picked a dud.

It’s also a mistake when their are multiple players at the position you are drafting for and guys that go after your pick end up being much more successful.

By your logic if I pick Andre Iguodala and pass on say Paul Pierce or Carmelo Anthony etc etc and I need a starting small forward that isn’t a mistake because I got a decent starter in Iguodala regardless if I passed on better players in the same position.  That’s a success?

Please clarify your thinking for me so I fully understand.

In this case I thought Ty was worlds better than Jrue at the time of drafting and fit exactly what we needed on this team.  That’s all.  I have a different drafting strategy than Stefanski and others.  I like proven players, with proven skills who also have room to grow.  I don’t like pure raw talents with no proven production at a high level.

And let me repeat…

I like Jrue and if you saw my 10 Games In post I would be starting him.  If we had Ty I would be starting him as well.

The only difference: I think Ty would be having a much great impact.

As always time will tell.  But I think whether it’s a mistake or not is how the careers end up after 3-5 years.  We should have a pretty clear idea who is and will be the better player after that.  Hopefully it’s Jrue I just don’t see it happening.

]]> By: deepsixersuede http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23368 deepsixersuede Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:37:20 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23368 Dannie, my biggest issue all along has been Lawson!s durability. If ,through his first 2 years, he proves he can play an 82 game schedule than he makes a believer out of me. Since I saw him in a high school game, he reminded me of a young T.Hardeway, but I wonder why he didn!t go higher, especially than Flynn.I am hoping he becomes Jameer #2 and Holliday becomes D.Williams #2, but I am a glass 1/2 full guy. Dannie, my biggest issue all along has been Lawson!s durability. If ,through his first 2 years, he proves he can play an 82 game schedule than he makes a believer out of me. Since I saw him in a high school game, he reminded me of a young T.Hardeway, but I wonder why he didn!t go higher, especially than Flynn.I am hoping he becomes Jameer #2 and Holliday becomes D.Williams #2, but I am a glass 1/2 full guy.

]]> By: Ed R. http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23365 Ed R. Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:29:07 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23365 But with dwindling attendance what will the Sixers be able to do? The fans don't show up because the Sixers are a poor run franchise and the team isn't fun to watch anymore. I think the Phillies winning it all last year has ruined it for some other teams because now fans know what winning is, and they want it and they no longer have the patience for the same crap. You see it with the Eagles and Sixers and to a lesser degree with the Flyers. But with dwindling attendance what will the Sixers be able to do? The fans don’t show up because the Sixers are a poor run franchise and the team isn’t fun to watch anymore. I think the Phillies winning it all last year has ruined it for some other teams because now fans know what winning is, and they want it and they no longer have the patience for the same crap. You see it with the Eagles and Sixers and to a lesser degree with the Flyers.

]]> By: Jacob http://www.reclinergm.com/stefanski-you-fd-up/#comment-23363 Jacob Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:13:12 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8038#comment-23363 I should be a GM.  From June 5, 2008: Jacob: "The Sixers need a pure point guard. Andre Miller is 32 and would make a valuable trading chip. Ty Lawson is still on the board. Am I missing something here?" Dannie: "Jacob, I am a big UNC fan so I watched every game I could and I think Lawson should go back to college especially having missed a bunch of games and playing some at not 100% due to his ankle injury. I think he needs to work on his shooting much more before he can be a viable option as a starting point guard in the NBA. I can just see teams backing off him to contain the penetration and baiting him to shoot. And at his size and the type of set shot he takes NBA defenders will be able to easily contest that shot as well. He has no ability to shoot off the dribble at all. And I wonder if he can finish at the basket in the NBA. Its been said he will go back to college if he isn’t projected/guaranteed to be drafted in the top 20, right now he is right on the cusp maybe going to Denver. If he doesn’t have strong individual workouts I think he goes back to school to further improve and prove his offensive game, defensive consistency and ability to log more minutes (only a 25mpg player in two years at UNC)." http://www.reclinergm.com/petes-mock-draft-30/ I should be a GM.  From June 5, 2008:

Jacob:
“The Sixers need a pure point guard. Andre Miller is 32 and would make a valuable trading chip. Ty Lawson is still on the board. Am I missing something here?”

Dannie:
“Jacob, I am a big UNC fan so I watched every game I could and I think Lawson should go back to college especially having missed a bunch of games and playing some at not 100% due to his ankle injury.

I think he needs to work on his shooting much more before he can be a viable option as a starting point guard in the NBA. I can just see teams backing off him to contain the penetration and baiting him to shoot. And at his size and the type of set shot he takes NBA defenders will be able to easily contest that shot as well. He has no ability to shoot off the dribble at all. And I wonder if he can finish at the basket in the NBA.

Its been said he will go back to college if he isn’t projected/guaranteed to be drafted in the top 20, right now he is right on the cusp maybe going to Denver. If he doesn’t have strong individual workouts I think he goes back to school to further improve and prove his offensive game, defensive consistency and ability to log more minutes (only a 25mpg player in two years at UNC).”

http://www.reclinergm.com/petes-mock-draft-30/

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