What’s taking so long to sign Andre Iguodala? His take…
I’m sure everyone wants to know what’s going on with my contract situation. Everything is kinda in slow motion right now, which is for the most part normal for all restricted free agents. Teams come in and out of play each day and my agent and I are taking our time to see how things develop with the Sixers and around the league. The Elton Brand deal was huge and I feel he will be a huge addition. The opportunity to play with a dominant low post player still in his prime will be exciting. - Iguodala9.com
It’s just the business of the NBA and being a restricted free agent. But it is clear Iguodala is not happy with how his negotiations are going and the inability to come to a deal that works for both sides. Early this week he spoke with HOOPSWORLD while in Vegas watching the Sixers summer league squad. You can really feel his frustration…
76ers forward Andre Iguodala told HOOPSWORLD he was thrilled the 76ers signed Elton Brand, but was not as thrilled with how his contract talks are going. Iguodala said he couldn’t understand the reluctance from the 76ers given how much they just gave Elton Brand, and that he had to keep his options open.
… the manner in which [contract negotiations are] being handled has not sat well with Andre and that’s not necessarily a smart move. Iguodala wants to be a 76er, but the process has not been fun for him and has created doubt about his role with the team going forward. - HOOPSWORLD
Hmm, the Elton Brand money is on his mind. He is keeping his options open. He is unsure of his role with the team going forward.
Well, for starters his options have almost completely dried up. The only team with enough cap space to make a run at him is the cheap Memphis Grizzles, who are clearly in save mode and in no need of a small forward or shooting guard. But really, this is no surprise at all. Its been known for months that this summer was not a players’ market. I said in my first post ever on this blog that his decision to turn down the $57M extension made little sense given the projected market - especially with his restricted status.
Peeking inside the mind of Andre Iguodala
Many have been debating what the fair market value is for Andre Iguodala. That is determined by the Sixers, other teams who covet him and the signings of similar players with similar production. But, I think the more important question is how much difference is there between that fair market value and the value Andre Iguodala places on himself. As always I am not claiming to know the intricacies of these negotiations, but I don’t believe the Sixers are trying to vastly low-ball Andre. So the hold-up must be how much money Iguodala wants above the market value the Sixers have placed on him and/or terms and perks included in the deal. The only number I’ve heard regarding what Iguodala wants is 5-years, $65M ($13M per year average).
Do you think $13M per year is fair market value for Andre Iguodala? A 24-year old combo guard/forward with 2008 production numbers of…
- 19.9 PPG
- 5.4 RPG
- 4.8 APG
- 2.1 SPG
- 2.6 TOV
- 45.6% FG
- 32.9% 3PT
- 72.1% FT
- 19 PER
- 54.3% TS percentage
- 49.5% eFG percentage
- In 39.5 MPG
Why do you think he would demand that type of money when his numbers and game are very similar to a 24-year old Corey Maggette who got $7M per year? Well for starters Andre WAS the best player on the team prior to the Brand signing. When the real AI left he was, in not so many words asked to become the face of the franchise and the #1 guy, even though we all believed he didn’t have the capability to do so. And well, he did a pretty good job! Increasing his production each of the last three seasons.
Why else? I will let you in on a theory that hit me the other day. This may not be what Andre Iguodala and his agent were actually thinking, but it’s a rationale I have yet to hear anywhere else…
At the time Iguodala refused the $57M (or $11.4 per season on average) contract extension Billy King was still the Sixers’ general manager. The same Billy King that gave Samuel Dalembert a 6-year, $64M contract or $10.6M per season on average. If you are Andre Iguodala, do you think you are worth more than $800,000 per year above Samuel Dalembert’s salary?
I have to believe Rob Pelinka knew the free agent landscape was going to be pretty dry this summer and consulted his client accordingly. So why else would they opt to turn down that deal, which most thought was very fair, to become a restricted free agent?
Pelinka and Iguodala believed they could squeeze the maximum or damn close out of a weak-negotiating Billy King.
They were banking on the fact that Billy King would hold to form and give Iguodala anything he wanted after a successful 2007 campaign. Throw in a little bit of competition and pressure on King this summer to sign the Sixers’ budding star and that would be enough to get the deal they were looking for.
Make sense?
But then the greatest day came -December 4th, 2007. Out goes Billy King, in comes a much savvier Ed Stefanski. Now Iguodala and Pelinka are dealing with Stefanski who knows his stuff. A GM who isn’t going to vastly overpay for a 2nd tier player, who has yet to show the jumper to be a great shooting guard, lacks the height to be a dominant small forward and who has only scored over 30 points 8 times in the 158 games post-Allen Iverson (no 30-pt games with AI on the squad). Don’t get me wrong; I like Andre Iguodala. I want him on the team. But he is what he is. I very good wingman. A player who is nowhere near as great as the wingman many like to compare him too - Scottie Pippen.
So Pelinka and Iguodala’s hypothetical plan to juice Billy King goes up in smoke. Now what options does he have? Take what Stefanski is offering. Threaten to sign the qualifying offer and bolt as an unrestricted free agent next summer to put the pressure on the Sixers. And lastly just sign the qualifying offer and take his chances next summer to get his big pay day.
There are a couple problems with the last two options, mainly the 2010 free agent class. I doubt teams will be willing to commit to Iguodala knowing they could position themselves for the creme of the crop the following year. Besides that, how many good teams are going to have $13M-$14M next summer anyway? With the Sixers now positioned to make a serious run at a title, is he really going to go to a losing team for a few million more dollars?
I will end this with a hilarious quote from one of our regular readers, AaronMcKieforMVP:
I can see the face to face meeting…. “Sorry Andre, but you shot 25% against Detroit in the playoffs. We are not paying you $12mm per year. Here is $7mm per, take it or leave it. Now get out of my office!!!”
Ultimately I think the negotiations will take the form of a softer version of the above scenario because now the Sixers have ALL the leverage.
P.S.
On a more positive note…did you catch the line in Iguodala’s recent blog post about being fully focused on improving his jumper? Gotta like that.
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Magette got 10 million per year
Joe - He got $10M this season after further proving his ability. When he was 24-years old he only got $7M.
Enjoyed your post, Dannie. Thoughtful. Reasonable. Informative. And closing with funny ‘McKie’ quote was good style. Snubbing 5 for 57 at age 23, proof of “alternative” thinking, which is evidenced on the court at times.
The good news is that Iggy is the last high price piece to our team. 12 mil per year is not too much, you have to decide how many years though. Thad’s deal will come at about the same time as Miller’s fall off (assuming he’s resigned). All the while you evaluate Sammy to determine if Speights and Brand can work together. If they can, then you deal Sammy.
This process would work it self out by the start of the 2011 season.
I could see giving Iggy an average of 10 mil per year no more than that. 5 years 50 Mil I agree with that. I think that comparing him with Magette is fair. I think the difference is in Iggy’s mind Billy King had been building him up as the future of the franchise. So he thinks he his value is higher than it is. This summer has got to be a wake up call for him, no team was really kickin down the door for him. He nationally doesn’t have a name at all.
The prob is he has been the best player on this team for about a year and a half, and thinks he should be paid like a #1 option.
I like Iggy and dont want him to leave but the Sixers have to avoid overpaying for him at all costs. I trust ES to make the right decsion.
Great post Dannie…I like your thinking with the Iguodala rationale of turning down the contract, thinking they could get Billy King to pull another Billy King and start handing out $$$ to any player that walked in his office. He probably had Kenny Thomas, Dikembe Mutumbo (4 years, SIXTY MILLION for ages 34-38?!?!), Dalembert and Korver on speed dial to help with advice on how to fleece our former GM.
If that number is true that you threw out for an Iggy contract…5 years at $65 million…we would definitely be be overpaying for him, but not by much. I think he deserves 11 a year, so going up to 13 isn’t too crazy for me. Plus, if Thad really starts turning it on the next two years, and if Iguodala isn’t fitting in like we need him to, there are plenty of teams that would be willing to trade for a young, athletic, defensive and versatile scoring wing. Even with his high price.
The only real argument Ed could make in not shelling out $13 a year is because we’d be bidding against ourselves, as (this summer at least) there aren’t any other teams that can afford him, and the Grizzlies have no use for him as Rudy Gay is being groomed as one of their stars of the future. Even if we did bid against ourselves though…no where near as ludicrous in that realm as the Magic were with R Lewis or the Bucks with Bogut.
yeah - when iggy comes in and tries to tell us that he’s worth as much as whoever, stefanski needs to sit him in a room and show him game tape of the playoff series against the pistons.
I think Iggy is worth 11 mil but in todays NBA he’s gonna get 12m. Spoke with Suede. Sounds like there’s rumors of Iggy to detroit with Hamilton involved(big daddy?????). I wouldn’t mind that. Get a true ‘2′ in here. Any thoughts?
Sounds like he won!t take less than last year so 5 years for 60 should be enough; not sure of the Maggette comparison, read that Maggette is thought of as more like a 6th man type on a good team during his free agent campaign.Hard to compare salaries, is Arenas worth what he got, injuries and all.Well written, Dannie.
Thanks for the good comments all.
Suede - regarding the Maggette comparison I think their games, position and production are very similar at age 23-24. And Maggette did that WITH Elton Brand already on the team. Matter of fact he had Brand taking 14+ shots per game and Q-Tip taking a 16+ shots per game (which by the way is very puzzling to me!).
Iguodala put up the virtually the same numbers shooting just about 2 more shots per game and not having another dominant-type player on the team. Honestly I think Maggette averages closer to 25-27 on the Sixers at 24-years old and freedom to put it up.
SFW - I would really have to think about that Hamilton trade. Really the only question I have (besides why Detroit would do it) is, does swapping Hamilton immediately increase the Sixers chance of getting to the Finals and winning?
Dannie, not so much my opinion, more what I read during the free agent period; comments like a “me” guy and bad defensively, stuff like that; the thing I love about him is he gets to the line like A.I. used to.
Dannie, I think the answer is yes. Detroit may be just trying to get young and change the chemistry. I know they’d love to get rid of Billups. He’s old for his age.
Suede, which AI? Maggette and the real AI in the same sentence? Don’t think so… Maggette is as you say a scoring role player on a winning team. You better have a defensive group around him if you want to win. Undersized and a bit slow small forward. Defense, definitely an issue…………….
Regarding the Hamilton thing, supposedly during the crossover on W.I.P. a rumor of a blockbuster deal was discussed with R.Hughes hushing up everybody about the information being confidential or something.Didn!t hear it myself but S.F.W. and I discussed why Det. would do it. Biedrens for Billups has been discussed on hoopshype and wonder if an Iggy, Stuckey,A.Johnson and Biedrens core intrigues Dumars, doesn!t do much for me.
Iggy will probably get around 11 million a year and that will be based on promise, not past performance. I love Iguodala and think he’ll become a good #2 guy, but let’s face it…he really hasn’t done much yet aside from show incredible atheleticism.
wow perceptive take. never thought of it that way. i hope he gets paid decent. $10m should do. and i hope he has the humility to accept it too.
sfw is in da house!
quick off-topic question for you - you like the Speights pick? I didn’t like it at first, I’d settled on Darrell Arthur being the best pick for the Sixers, despite that article claiming fishiness regarding his high school exams. The reports on Speights’ laziness really bothered me.
But I went and watched some archived Florida games, and then these summer league games, and I’ve fallen in love, I think he’ll end up being a great pick for the 6ers.
I don’t posy much, but I do read the 76ers posts regularly, and I appreciate everyone’s thoughts on all things 76ers. Now, from what I hear, the 76ers wanted to let the dust settle after the Elton Brand move before getting at Lou and Iggy. I read the HoopsHype article and honestly, nothing in it tells me I should pay much attention to it. Also, I would not want the team to rush negotiations with either player. Regarding Iggy, 5 years, 65 million is fair to me. All along, my opinion on his contract should not be based solely on his scoring numbers, but everything else he brings to the team. Defense, leadership, athleticism. If you let him walk, there is so much you have to replace.
One other thing: I have been arguing with a goof buddy of mine who stands firm that Tayshaun is better than Iggy. I’m not ready to say that is true, mainly because Iggy has never had the luxury of playing with Rip, Chauncey, and Sheed around. Unfortunately, playing alongside Willie Green, Reggie Evans, and Sammy D put a lot more pressure on Iggy. Would Tayshaun have done any better with this team?
I would do Iggy for Rip Hamilton in a min. He is a defender with 3 point range. Not sure about age but if he around 30 with 2-3 years on his contract that would be fine.
Rip is 30 and if we did make the trade now we would have him for 2 seasons before he became unrestricted with everyone else in 2010.
Dannie, looking back at what you wrote earlier (which I mostly agree with):
…then a $13M salary sounds reasonable to me.
If Igoudala wants 65 mil, how about he gives us 6 years. Given his very small amount of leverage, he’s gonna have to compromise. We give him the dollar amount, he gives us the per year average? Sounds fair to me. Or, to approach it from a different angle, go shorter, say, a 3 year deal.
That said, no matter what the final per year average, he should remain tradable for the length of a 5 or 6 year contract.
And I would be hesitant to trade Hamilton for Igoudala simply for defensive purposes.
I would only do the IGG/Hamilton trade if Hamilton as 5 yrs younger. Im just hoping our team doesnt do what Boston did and go for the “right now” approach. If we get rid of our young core(mainly IGG) we’ll be rebuilding again too soon. IGG has gotten better each year, mainly his jumper, in his early years he could barely hit the rim. so i think hes going to keep getting better. I agree w/ Backcourt mate, its not his scoring we would have to replace, its everything and thats hard to find in this league. Give him some time i think he does have the potential to be a #1 guy. Dont base 1 HORRIBLE playoff performance on his future and ability, if i remember correctly he had a hell of a year. I bet its pretty hard on a player when your the only starter on your team that can score and one of the best defensive teams in the game shut you down and nobody else on the team can make a shot…
Ryan is right on point, one playoff series is not a fair barometer. Dannie reminded us of Kobe Bryant and the airball against Utah.
I hope they work it out and Iggy doesn’t take the one year qualifing offer. Let’s not kid ourselves about who has leverage and who doesn’t.
this was a post from Paul: “For Iguidala: Compare him to J. Crawford, R. Jefferson, T. Prince, M. Dunlevey, G. Wallace, S. Marion, R. Lewis, J. Howard, S. Battier, Pega, D. West, C Maggette, A Harrington.”
here are their salaries (and my opinions)
JCrawford: $8.6mm (i would never take this guy)
Jefferson:$13.2mm (i would pay him $8-$9mm)
Prince: $9.5mm (absolutely)
Duleavy: $9mm (i would pay him $6 mm)
Wallace: $8.3mm (i think this is ok; maybe a little high)
Marion: $17mm ($12mm, not a penny more)
Lewis: $17mm ($9mm or so)
J. Howard: $9.9-$11mm (i think this is ok)
Battier: $6.5 (Steal)
Peja: $13mm ($9mm not a penny more)
West: $9.8 (fair value)
Maggette: $10mm ($7-$8mm)
Harrington: $9.2mm ($7-$8mm)
somebody will likely pay Iggy $10mm, im not arguing that he cant get that. I just really dont think he is worth it. from the list above, the guys i would sign to their current contracts are Prince, Josh Howard, West, and Battier. i think the first 3 are better players than Iggy and only Howard is at $10mm.
I think Iggy is in the class of the guys i rate around $8-$9mm, RJeff, Lewis, Magette, Harrington. just because someone goes out and pays Lewis $17mm, doesnt mean it should be our ownership. its just not good value. i think $8.5mm is a good number, would let him walk otherwise. let someone else pay $12mm and never get past the 1st round.
my point is , we need to be really smart and not just throw money around. i like iggy too but spending all that cash on him wont get us where we need to go.
Dre: Igoudala taking the 3.8 mil tender would be cutting off his nose to spite his face. He’s be leaving at least 5-7 mil on the table in the prime of his career. Bad idea. If I were him, I’d take a 3 year deal, 3/ 30 mil, so that we will have a shot at unrestricted FA in the absolute prime of his career, age 27. Go get your disgustingly big payday then.
Morty -
Leaving 5-7 on the table is risky, I agree with that, but imagine if we make it to the Conference Finals with Iggy playing inspired ball, what then?
@Ryan F
Not sure I agree that Iguodala has improved every year. In fact, I think he took a step back this past year. In 07-08 he had his worst free throw percentage of his career, just .721. That’s down from .820 the previous year. He also had about 1 less assist per game, from 5.7 to 4.8.
While his ppg went up from 18.2 to 19.9, he took a lot more shots then he did the previous season. His three point attempts nearly doubled from 155 to 307. While his 3pt% improved, I’d sure like those 152 extra attempts back at a clip of just .329.
I don’t know about you, but I prefered the 06-07 Iggy. And I’m only talking regular season stats, let’s not even get into that horrendous playoff performance.
I’d be interested to know how others feel about this.
Duke - I think Iguodala has improve each season. The only number that is glaringly bad is his free throw %. Everything else is either on par or better.
I think his decrease in assists is largely attributed to having Andre Miller play a full 82 games compared to only 57 last season. Taking some of his time away from playmaking and almost entirely converting him into more of a wing scorer. That along with not having AI on the team for any games is why his shots are up as well as they should be. By the way his FG% is up slightly on those shots as well.
Would I like him shooting less three-pointers? Of course at that %. He definitely settle more than he should have. But I also think give him more time on the ball as a playmaker and you get less three-point attempts as well.
Turnovers down as well.
He’s better, no one said to what degree, but he was better. And besides stats, year by year he is working to improve his skillset.
Dre: If that happened, and he truly raised his stock and signed a 5 year deal for 70 mil then he would probably break even, or come out a couple mil ahead over the 6 year span. But what if his stats dropped to make way for Brand and Thad? That could happen.
And you also have to measure the opportunity cost as well. What could he invest in with a 10 mil salary in 2008 that he could not with a 3.8 mil salary, ya know? It just doesn’t add up to me. But I’m not so sure logic is the biggest part in his negotiating stance.
Dannie: Agreed that Igoudala improved from 06-07 to 07-08. I expect to see a similar improvement this year, especially with a quality big man down low. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, if I’m his agent, I’m telling him to take a 3 year deal for less money (30 mil), and then become unrestricted at age 27. The lower salary will help the team in the remaining peak of Brand’s career, hopefully leading to playoff success, and perhaps even a championship which as we all know raises everyone’s value.
hey deepsixer crew, good to see ya’ll here. Hope I’m welcome here.
I agree with Morty’s assertion that Iguadala’s shooting may improve this year with all the double teams Brand’s will most likely command. I would like to see Dalembert improve as well- and he doesn’t have to worry about being the only NBA player/go to guy on this team! lol
xing, glad to see you made it over!
About what you said - don’t forget about LouWill! There are lots of things he’s not that we’d like him to be, but he made for a decent go-to guy this past season!
Not a good market for RFAs. Iguodala should have signed for 57 million and if I were the Sixers, I’d give him about 50 million or so now or let him play at the one year qualifiying offer since no one has cap money.
Of course he’s not happy, none of the players are this year.
And it would be like a Billy King move to overpay right now at 57 million (65 million is a joke). What is with these agents? They know no one has money
If Hamilton is doable I would do it in a heartbeat. Morty, he is very good defensively, that is my main issue with any Iggy deal; can Iggy do anything else better than Rip, I don!t think so. Our main needs are 3pt. shooting and improving from the line, he is an upgrade in both departments.He is in incredible shape and from this area so in 2 years he may resign and on a team like we have he is more capable than Iggy, in my opinion, to put up 25 on any given night.
Sixerz, suede kept hounding me. So, I had to get back to blogging. I was depressed on draft night due to the lack of our activity not because of Speights. He seemed like the proper pick(He or Hickson). Kind of wished they went and got Chalmers from Kansas in the 2nd round but what can you do. Obviously Ed S knew exactly what he was doing and made it happen. I guess I’m back hooked on blogging…………………………
Suede, doesn’t Iggy handle the ball more/better than Ripp? Ripp is a catch and shoot guy which may put more pressure on AMill & TYoung to handle more frequently.
Zack, a couple of things on Spieghts; Not afraid to use his left hand; never misses on the baseline [8 to 10 ft.]; pretty good passer[got the assist on game winner by Gordon last night] ; very hard to shoot over in the post; and as far as effort, last night contested a jumper and turned around and hustled back for the rebound and saw he misshot a foul shot and almost got an effort rebound, 2 good signs that like Jason last year he is at least giving effort.
I wonder if there’s any quiet interest in his services on Memphis’s part.
Re #42: Iggy, that is.
S.F.W., are we better with the ball in A.Miller!s hands more, I think so. Actually don!t know if Iggy is a good decision maker yet, that will come with experience though. Hamilton is an economical scorer, what would he score a game in Iggy!s situation last year?
Jumpin, I thought they were gonna jump in and swoop up Josh Smith in the last minute, he is the missing piece for them but they say they are waiting till next year. [J. Smith/R.Gay/M.Gasol/O.J.Mayo/M.Conley; not bad!!
suede, Some emerging talent down there, along with money to spend. Strange things happen. Deals come out of the blue sometimes. Thanks for reply.
suede: Hamilton is lateral move, at best, in my eyes. He is better offensively, worse defensively. The reason to do that is you do not want to tie up 5 years of Igoudala and thus are only committed to 2 years of Hamilton. It’s a “championship now” move for a team that does not have the bench to win a championship now, with or w/out Hamilton.
jjg: so who would you want from Memphis in a sign and trade?
Morty, I would rather just keep Iggy but if we have to pay him more than 13 mill. per, I!d rather have Hamilton for less [11.5] and go from there. As far as our bench, I!d put it up there with anybody this year. [J.Smith, Evans,Spieghts, [shooter],Green, L.Will., [pt.guard?].
I do the Igoudala for Hamilton trade in a heartbeat. I mentioned that a few topics ago. To piggback some on what was already said. I agree that Igoudala took a step back last year. Thing I was most disappointed in was that he did not take that step forward and be a leader on this team. This was definetly Andre Miller and to a certain extent Reggie Evan’s. I dont agree that Hamilton is a big drop off defensivly. Igoudala really did not put as much effort defensivly as most people think, and as he had in other seasons. I think that is the real Igoudala now, he is slacking more cause he thinks he is a scorer.
And yes, Tashuan Prince is MUCH better than Igoudala.
No way is Igoudala worth 13 mil per. 10-11 max
While the Sixers are clearly incontrol and could offer less than they offered last fall, that would not be the right thing from a team building point of view. They cast AI as the team leader and #1 player. He responded reasonably well. I think they should offer $60m for 5 years - a modest increase over the previous offer, but not wildly over his worth.
On the other point, Rip Hamilton is not a major 3-point shooter. He moves well w/o the ball and has a great mid-range game. If AI was put into Hamilton’s role, he probably would be able to do as well.
Duracorr,I agree with your contract statement but I think you’re selling Hamilton short on his off the ball abilities. I think that’s a skill missing in the NBA and not that easily acquired.
With Posey out of Boston wouldn!t it be nice if Detroit pulled a risky [Anthony,Mcgrady ?] trade just to shake things up, we would be that much closer to a possible eastern finals series. Dannie, with Iggy going to play for that select team doesn!t he risk a W.Green type injury situation if he isn!t signed before hand.
Suede - Sure there is risk, but there is risk when he is working out hard on his own as well. I prefer him working out against the best players in the game I think it will help him immensely.
He gets to be around Coach K’s knowledge of the game. He gets to participate in the workouts with the great players in the game and see their work ethic and practice behaviors. I think its a really good thing and I hope he absorbs everything he can in that time there.
Morty: To answer your question, Lowry, Warrick, and, of course, Gay & Mayo would all aid Sixers’ cause. As to contract portability and sheer availability, haven’t the foggiest.
Since there seems to be some extensive cap knowledge here, I have a question. Currently there is a cap hold of $9 million for Iguodala. If he takes the tender offer ($3.8 million I think I heard) and becomes unrestricted next year, does that mean we would have cap room to sign a player?? I think it is similar with WIlliams, who has a $3 million cap hold.
@Craig
Iggy’s hold: 8.4
Lou’s hold: 1.0
That is what I have.
If Iguodala signed the tender, which would be really dumb, it would create cap space as far as I know the rules assuming the Sixers haven’t signed Lou yet or other players.
Why would he never sign the tender?
He would make 3.8 million for the year, with no other guaranteed money.
Another reason is that he wouldn’t make much more last year even if someone was willing to max him out. No one with cap space would be willing I think, so it wouldn’t really matter.
The max contract will be around 14.5 for next offseason for his # of years in the league. That would allow for him to sign a 5 year deal worth 84 million if someone was willing. Add in the 3.8 he would make this year, and essentially he is looking at 88 million for 6 years if he is really really lucky. That is 14.6 million a year.
He could just sign a 60-65 million dollar deal. If he is as good as he thinks, the following year we would probably make about 14 million for the start of his new 5 year deal. So that is 75-80 million over those same 6 years.
The point is that in free agency, he will find someone willing to offer him maybe 75 million over 5 years, but taking into account the pay cut he is taking, by signing the QO, it just doesn’t make sense.
Why play another season with the risk of an injury anyway to hurt his value. At best he earns a deal for 10 million more, but that is almost entirely ruined by the fact that he takes the pay cut with the QO.
I think he will sign a deal for 5 years, with a player option for the 5th year for 57-65 million dollars, personally.
Players who consider singing QOs are players who had terrible years in their final year like Ben Gordon or Luol Deng.
Lou WIlliams being pursued by the Warriors.
It was reported on CSN that the Sixers should have Lou signed by Wednesday or so.
Apparently rumors about TMac/fillers for Iguodala/fillers are starting as well.
Joe-
where did you hear about the the TMac rumours?
@raro
I am not one to post random stuff, this is kinda random, but cam up from multiple sources.
1) guy on realgm mentioned this, who claims to “know a guy.”
2) a buddy of mine who “knows a guy who knows a guy” called me out of the blue to talk about acquiring tmac.
I have some “quotes” but that is the gist.
Take it with a grain of salt until something big comes up honestly. Just some stuff I heard, so I threw it out there for you guys.
Id rather have Igoudala (and you wont hear me say that often) over TMac. Id be real disappointed if that deal went down. Come on 6ers, get LouWill locked up already.
Joe, and those kinds of rumors/ideas are always welcome Joe.
TMac is kind of intriguing. If he were to come over to the sixers, then this could easily become the best team TMac has ever played for. He would have a solid point guard, solid front line… His 3pt% went down this year but that is probably because he was carrying the team without Yao for the greater part of the season. 29 years old with two years left on his 20-some million dollar contract. Matching the contracts would be the hardest part since you would have to give up someone else besides Iguodala. Still, if I’m Ed, I have to consider doing this deal. A two year window to compete with a Boston at its peak.
@ Joe - thanks for the info, I agree they should get a deal done, but if he is really waiting for that top money, it is conceivable that he may take the tender. I agree with your reasons why he shouldn’t do that, but players and their agents make stupid decisions all the time. I was asking for the rule in case that happens.
TMac would be a good fit with Brand, and while his age is a concern, conceivably, that would give us room to make a run at a big time free agent after 2010 to pair with Brand and extend the window near the top of the conference.
I don’t like this trade idea, but I do like that Ed is feeling things out with other teams.
I agree with you Joe, I don’t want any parts of Tracy McGrady at this stage of his career, but I like to hear that the Sixers are exploring any and all options to improve this team.
McGrady is the definition of injury-prone and I don’t want a guy with a bad back especially when his game depends a fair amount on athleticism.
Let me ask (especially the people in favor of a trade like this), is a 29-year old Tracy McGrady at this stage of his career really an upgrade over Andre Iguodala? I know the numbers, everyone knows his lack of playoff success. I really don’t think so at all, but interested to hear opposing arguments.
here is my opinion on TMac. I cant help but categorize this guy a s a colossal loser. i do not want him on my team. he is one of those guys that looks good on a highlight reel but doesnt get it done. this guy started the season 0-19 on Orlando (in the East!!!!) a few years ago and then cried his way out of town. i dont know of any star who would lead his team to an 0-19 record. any top 20 player in the league would eek out at least 5 or 6 wins in 19 tries - i dont care who the supporting cast is. this guy is so freaking overrated and overpaid its not even funny. i would stick with Iguodala
I also want no part of Tmac. Golden st. after Lou Will? I might entertain getting their young 2 guard in return. That’s about it. Don’t want to lose Lou.
sfw - I assume you are talking about Belinelli not Ellis? That would be the Sixers answer for a 3pt shooting threat as well. I don’t want to lose Williams either.
Have a post coming tonite about Williams actually.
Why compare him with Maggette? That was years ago when Maggette was 24. You should compare him with current restricted free agents. If you look at what Deng just signed for, Iggy is just as good as or better than Deng so that is about his market value. Factor in what Okafor/Biedrins/Monta Ellis just received and Iggy is just as good as them. He should get 6 yrs for about 70 million or so.
Iggy has FAILED! Get that bum outta here. Offer him Monta’s contract and not a cent more. Even Monta’s contract is overpaying him considering that Monta is a much more talented performer. Iggy = Failure
Joe - Please look at the date of this post, you are way late with this comment and it’s out of context. When I wrote this no one had signed yet. And I have since wrote this post and I am publishing yet another article today on the subject.
SendEM - Failed at what? Bum? Monta is a much more talented performer on what basis?
I really don’t know what has gotten into Iggy’s mind. I mean, he had a horrible performance during the play-offs, shown by his 13ppt 4TOpg in 33FG% shooting, then after that he’s demanding $12m/year . More money than guys like Deng, Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis and Caron Butler are making.
See, Iggy averaged 20ppg/5rpg/5apg. I’ve got to admit that averaging that kind of stats is not so easy. But with the addition of Elton, it will certainly drop to an extent. I can project his points dropping by 4-6ppg (similar to Corey’s point different when he played with Elton compared when he played last year with the Clips when Elton was injured), his rebounding will certainly drop because of the addition of a good rebounder like elton. Then his assist will, arguably, (similar to Dre’s stats when he was playing along side AI and C-webb) drop.
I can project a stats like 15ppg/3rpg/4apg. Now I ask you, does a player deserve $12m/year with those kind of stats?
Failed during the play-offs. He choked big time on center stage.
Failed when his contract was on the line.
Failed to be the franchise player for the Sixers when he had the opportunity.
And most importantly, failed to show that he’s worth 12m/year..
joakim,
all those guys didnt lead there teams to the playoffs like iggy did, with the exception of butler. iggy deserves to get credit for leading his team to where nobody thought they could get, the playoffs.
i also wouldnt call his performance in the playoffs, a big time choke. i would call it a bad series, because that is exactly what it was. think of other young players in tough situations. lebron in the finals a couple years back. he is a young star that ran into one of the best defensive teams in the league, and then had a bad shooting series. excactly like iggy last year.
also, think back to all the past championship teams, and the big men that they all had on them. all these big men are all stars that draw double teams, therefore improving the jumpshooters around them.
duncan-ginobli / garnett-allen-pierce / rasheed-billups
shaq-dwade
my point is that mr elton brand will draw double teams that will easily free up iggy for open jumpshots, and iggy want get triple teamed when he drives in the lane. which happened in the playoffs against the pistons
over the course of the whole year last year, how many double teams did reggie evans and dally draw last year? the answer is not many. with elton brand healthy and hopefully still in his prime, he will draw double teams taking guys off iggy and getting iggy open jumpshots. i guareentee when they sign him back, his ppg will go up, along with his shooting %.