Comments on: What Amaro Inherits: The State of The Phillies Contracts http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/ Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers & Phillies fans Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:21:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6887 jjg Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:30:03 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6887 <strong>bski </strong> Your prudent choice is registered.  Now quit being so trendy.  bski  Your prudent choice is registered.  Now quit being so trendy. 

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6886 bski Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:23:47 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6886 <strong>JJG.</strong>..I'd have no problem doing it but for the fact that I have already wagered one with CC.  I don't think it's in my best interest to put both of my kidneys on the line.  Even I have my limits.  Besides, like Pete said, we are talking about a trend, not a certainty. JJG...I’d have no problem doing it but for the fact that I have already wagered one with CC.  I don’t think it’s in my best interest to put both of my kidneys on the line.  Even I have my limits.  Besides, like Pete said, we are talking about a trend, not a certainty.

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6884 jjg Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:46:46 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6884 <strong>bski </strong> Prior, a good example of the 'overtime' syndrome.  Call me superstitious, but I attribute injury to the metaphysical realm.  As for Hamels, wanna bet a kidney?  bski  Prior, a good example of the ‘overtime’ syndrome.  Call me superstitious, but I attribute injury to the metaphysical realm.  As for Hamels, wanna bet a kidney? 

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6863 bski Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:22:33 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6863 espn just announced the National League gold glove winners.  <strong>Victorino</strong> and <strong>Rollins</strong> each won one.  Here's <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3684696" title="the link" rel="nofollow">the link</a> to the article. espn just announced the National League gold glove winners.  Victorino and Rollins each won one.  Here’s the link to the article.

]]> By: Mike Donnelly http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6862 Mike Donnelly Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:14:00 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6862 YO Pete, Not a single Pat Gillick column?  Can we get a GM roundup on the Phillies.  Who deserves the credit for the 2008 World Series talent, what role did Gillick play?  80% ?    Let's get a Recliner GM take on our former GM. Thanks, Mike YO Pete,

Not a single Pat Gillick column?  Can we get a GM roundup on the Phillies.  Who deserves the credit for the 2008 World Series talent, what role did Gillick play?  80% ?    Let’s get a Recliner GM take on our former GM.

Thanks, Mike

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6861 bski Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:37:27 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6861 <strong>JJG</strong>...You and I have already had this discussion about increased workloads for pitchers a couple months ago.  I don't want to get into the whole thing again, but I will bring up the poster child for this topic:  Mark Prior.  He is not on Pete's list, but he belongs there as well. Another reason to bring up Prior is the mention of Hamels' delivery.  Prior was hailed as having the smoothest, most fluid, effortless delivery.  For that very reason, it was said that it was unlikely that he would sustain an injury.  That is of course until his innings pitched literally doubled from 116 2/3 in 2002 to 234 1/3 (211 1/3 regular season & 23 post season)....and he got injured, over and over again.  He last pitched in the league in 2006. Hamels' smooth, non-violent delivery notwithstanding, he is definitely at an increased risk of injury next year due to his increased workload. JJG…You and I have already had this discussion about increased workloads for pitchers a couple months ago.  I don’t want to get into the whole thing again, but I will bring up the poster child for this topic:  Mark Prior.  He is not on Pete’s list, but he belongs there as well.

Another reason to bring up Prior is the mention of Hamels’ delivery.  Prior was hailed as having the smoothest, most fluid, effortless delivery.  For that very reason, it was said that it was unlikely that he would sustain an injury.  That is of course until his innings pitched literally doubled from 116 2/3 in 2002 to 234 1/3 (211 1/3 regular season & 23 post season)….and he got injured, over and over again.  He last pitched in the league in 2006.

Hamels’ smooth, non-violent delivery notwithstanding, he is definitely at an increased risk of injury next year due to his increased workload.

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6858 jjg Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:45:43 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6858 <strong>Pete</strong>  <em>Thanks</em> for article forwarding.  Interesting read.  I remain a skeptic though as I think, if time allowed for such focused endeavor, you could find examples aplenty to counter Verducci's position.  Agree about Hamel's delivery.  And 2 months of rest along with a fit physique should work to his favor for '09.     Pete  Thanks for article forwarding.  Interesting read.  I remain a skeptic though as I think, if time allowed for such focused endeavor, you could find examples aplenty to counter Verducci’s position.  Agree about Hamel’s delivery.  And 2 months of rest along with a fit physique should work to his favor for ‘09.    

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6857 jjg Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:29:39 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6857 No sobs for Greg Dobbs.  Is no Roy Hobbs.  Keep him doin' what he does best - pinch-hitting.  His everyday playing would dilute Phillies.  No sobs for Greg Dobbs.  Is no Roy Hobbs.  Keep him doin’ what he does best – pinch-hitting.  His everyday playing would dilute Phillies. 

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6856 Pete Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:26:02 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6856 jjg - 30 innings is a measure used by many scouts and GMs to show an increased injury risk. They've done studies and that seems to be the point where the risk goes up the most. Here's a quote from a Tom Verducci article on the subject: "For example, let's look at the YAE (Year After Effect) for the Class of 2005, the young pitchers who were pushed beyond the 30-inning threshold that season: <strong>Matt Cain</strong> (+33.1 innings at age 20), <strong>Francisco Liriano</strong> (+34.2 at 21), <strong>Gustavo Chacin</strong> (+35.2 at 24), <strong>Zach Duke</strong> (+44.1 at 22), <strong>Scott Kazmir</strong> (+51.2 at 21) and <strong>Paul Maholm</strong> (+98.1 at 23). Liriano (elbow), Chacin (elbow) and Kazmir (shoulder) all suffered significant injuries. Cain (+1.82), Duke (+2.66) and Maholm (+2.58) all saw dramatic rises in their ERAs." entire article here: <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/tom_verducci/11/28/pitchers/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/tom_verducci/11/28/pitchers/index.html</a> This is why I predicted (correctly) that Fausto Carmona would get hurt this year and hurt the Indians. Hamels has a pretty steady and non-violent delivery, so I could see him bucking the trend (and is a trend, not a certainty) jjg -

30 innings is a measure used by many scouts and GMs to show an increased injury risk. They’ve done studies and that seems to be the point where the risk goes up the most. Here’s a quote from a Tom Verducci article on the subject:

“For example, let’s look at the YAE (Year After Effect) for the Class of 2005, the young pitchers who were pushed beyond the 30-inning threshold that season: Matt Cain (+33.1 innings at age 20), Francisco Liriano (+34.2 at 21), Gustavo Chacin (+35.2 at 24), Zach Duke (+44.1 at 22), Scott Kazmir (+51.2 at 21) and Paul Maholm (+98.1 at 23). Liriano (elbow), Chacin (elbow) and Kazmir (shoulder) all suffered significant injuries. Cain (+1.82), Duke (+2.66) and Maholm (+2.58) all saw dramatic rises in their ERAs.”

entire article here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/tom_verducci/11/28/pitchers/index.html

This is why I predicted (correctly) that Fausto Carmona would get hurt this year and hurt the Indians.

Hamels has a pretty steady and non-violent delivery, so I could see him bucking the trend (and is a trend, not a certainty)

]]> By: bski http://www.reclinergm.com/what-amaro-inherits-the-state-of-the-phillies-contracts/#comment-6855 bski Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:08:35 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=2466#comment-6855 <strong>J Dubbz</strong>...I forgot.  About Dobbs.  It sounds like the Phils might be considering having him play <strong>left</strong> field.  Check out this tidbit: "Although he has spent most of the last two seasons playing third base, Manuel and coach Davey Lopes both feel his best defensive position is leftfield. Although Manuel and Amaro both said they'd view him as a platoon player, that's how Jayson Werth began the season as well. "I would probably view him as more of a platoon guy," Amaro said. "But if a guy is playing well - Werth is a perfect example - Charlie will let him play every day if he earns it. [Dobbs] has made himself a pretty good player and a pretty good hitter and if he continues to improve in the outfield, he can be a solid outfielder, too." There are a few things I don't like about this though.  Dobbs is another left handed bat.  Also, I'm not too big on platoon situations.  With whom would he be platooning?  Jenkins?  How would that work?   A lesser concern is that our bench takes a hit and we lose our best pinch hitter, who also happens to be one of the best in the game. If we could add a solid right handed hitter as a 4th outfielder who could platoon in left field, give Werth and Victorino a day off here and there, and be able to step in in case of injury, then I guess I'd be ok with it.  I'm still kind of iffy though. J Dubbz…I forgot.  About Dobbs.  It sounds like the Phils might be considering having him play left field.  Check out this tidbit:
“Although he has spent most of the last two seasons playing third base, Manuel and coach Davey Lopes both feel his best defensive position is leftfield. Although Manuel and Amaro both said they’d view him as a platoon player, that’s how Jayson Werth began the season as well.
“I would probably view him as more of a platoon guy,” Amaro said. “But if a guy is playing well – Werth is a perfect example – Charlie will let him play every day if he earns it. [Dobbs] has made himself a pretty good player and a pretty good hitter and if he continues to improve in the outfield, he can be a solid outfielder, too.”
There are a few things I don’t like about this though.  Dobbs is another left handed bat.  Also, I’m not too big on platoon situations.  With whom would he be platooning?  Jenkins?  How would that work?   A lesser concern is that our bench takes a hit and we lose our best pinch hitter, who also happens to be one of the best in the game.
If we could add a solid right handed hitter as a 4th outfielder who could platoon in left field, give Werth and Victorino a day off here and there, and be able to step in in case of injury, then I guess I’d be ok with it.  I’m still kind of iffy though.

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