<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Who Is The Best Phillies&#8217; Team Ever? An Offseason Tournament</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/</link>
	<description>Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers &#38; Phillies fans</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:35:10 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Phillies All-Time Tourney:1950 vs. 1980</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-27863</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillies All-Time Tourney:1950 vs. 1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-27863</guid>
		<description>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Phillies All-Time Tourney:1977 vs. 2008</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-26426</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillies All-Time Tourney:1977 vs. 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-26426</guid>
		<description>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Phillies’ All-Time Tourney: 2009 vs. 1993</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-26296</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillies’ All-Time Tourney: 2009 vs. 1993</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-26296</guid>
		<description>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Phillies&#8217; All-Time Tourney: 1950 vs. 1915</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-24311</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillies&#8217; All-Time Tourney: 1950 vs. 1915</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-24311</guid>
		<description>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ken Bland</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-23635</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-23635</guid>
		<description>The A’s had two dynastic runs in their history.&gt;&gt;

It&#039;s funny how he A&#039;s have worked.  Be it in Philly, or Oakland, they have had great teams, decimated them because of money, and rebuilt again.  Kinda like the Marlins have a habit of doing.

I&#039;m aware that history treats the 29 A&#039;s nicely.  And I don&#039;t disagree, but Connie Mack got away with murder in that series.  He started Howard Ehmke in Game 1 against the Cubs.  And won.  So that great year could quite well hve wound up without a World Championship.  Ehmke was a very average pitcher who had a mediocore year, hadn&#039;t started in weeks, that sort of thing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The A’s had two dynastic runs in their history.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how he A&#8217;s have worked.  Be it in Philly, or Oakland, they have had great teams, decimated them because of money, and rebuilt again.  Kinda like the Marlins have a habit of doing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware that history treats the 29 A&#8217;s nicely.  And I don&#8217;t disagree, but Connie Mack got away with murder in that series.  He started Howard Ehmke in Game 1 against the Cubs.  And won.  So that great year could quite well hve wound up without a World Championship.  Ehmke was a very average pitcher who had a mediocore year, hadn&#8217;t started in weeks, that sort of thing. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Phillies&#8217; All-Time Tourney: 1976 vs. 1980</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-23591</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillies&#8217; All-Time Tourney: 1976 vs. 1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-23591</guid>
		<description>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All-Time Tourney Rules and Explanation [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bski</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-23588</link>
		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-23588</guid>
		<description>I found what I thought to be a very interesting article about the free agent ranking system (how Type A and Type B is determined) and what it means for many players on a personal level and for the league as a whole on &lt;a title=&quot;si.com&quot; href=&quot;http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/sky_andrecheck/11/19/free.agents/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;si.com&lt;/a&gt; today.



It&#039;s a long article, so I&#039;ll list the main points below:




&lt;em&gt;Overall, the system boils down to a tax on Type A free agents, which teams must pay in the form of draft picks. 



Research shows that on average, a late first-round draft choice will contribute about two major league wins to his team during the first six years of his career. 



On the open free-agent market, teams will pay about $4.5 million per win. This means those two wins are worth about $9 million.



What does this all mean? Due to the free-agent draft pick compensation rules, a team that signs a Type A free agent will have to pay what amounts to a $3.5 million tax for the privilege of signing him.



Knowing that they will have to pay this tax on Type A free agents, teams are going to bid less than they would have otherwise.



While this isn&#039;t such a big deal with the mega-free agents, the effect is substantial on less valuable players, for whom $3 million may represent a substantial portion of their pay.  For these players, the Type A tag became a sort of scarlet letter that deterred teams from signing them. 



Part of the problem with the free-agent compensation system as it stands now is that the rankings it produces aren&#039;t really very accurate.



The problem is particularly acute among middle relievers, whom Elias rates disproportionately highly. The reason is that players are ranked within various positional groups, and relief pitchers have their own group. The problem with this, of course, is that unlike, say, shortstops or first basemen, most relief pitchers have relatively low value. Of relievers, only a small fraction are high-impact players such as stud closers. Therefore, when Elias rates the top 20 percent of relievers as Type A free agents, it ends up including some very mediocre pitchers. As a result, 10 out of the 23 Type A free agents are relievers, including immortals such as Oliver and Hawkins. Such players have no business being classified in the same category as Holliday or Bay, and the fact that they&#039;re overrated by the rankings can really hurt them. Due to the draft picks that must be forfeited to sign these players, many middle relievers see their salary and negotiating power diminished when saddled with the Type A tag. 



&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;While the system is really broken for relief pitchers, it&#039;s not so hot for other players, either. For one, &lt;strong&gt;center fielders are ranked in the same group as designated hitters, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;(I had no idea), &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;meaning that center fielders get no credit for playing one of the toughest positions on the diamond. &lt;/strong&gt;Other oddities include &lt;strong&gt;using very few statistics to rate each player, and including antiquated stats such as fielding percentage (even for catchers!) and both wins and winning percentage for starting pitchers. &lt;/strong&gt;All of these oddities add up to provide a very uneven system of ranking players, which is a shame considering that a player&#039;s Type A designation can have a substantial impact on his marketability.
&lt;/em&gt;



&lt;em&gt;In its current form, the system does little to ensure competitive balance, since the effective tax does little to deter teams from signing mega-stars such as Teixeira but does have an effect on the marketability and earning power of journeyman free agents who have the misfortune to be labeled Type A free agents. 



&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found what I thought to be a very interesting article about the free agent ranking system (how Type A and Type B is determined) and what it means for many players on a personal level and for the league as a whole on <a title="si.com" href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/sky_andrecheck/11/19/free.agents/index.html" rel="nofollow">si.com</a> today.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long article, so I&#8217;ll list the main points below:</p>
<p><em>Overall, the system boils down to a tax on Type A free agents, which teams must pay in the form of draft picks. </p>
<p>Research shows that on average, a late first-round draft choice will contribute about two major league wins to his team during the first six years of his career. </p>
<p>On the open free-agent market, teams will pay about $4.5 million per win. This means those two wins are worth about $9 million.</p>
<p>What does this all mean? Due to the free-agent draft pick compensation rules, a team that signs a Type A free agent will have to pay what amounts to a $3.5 million tax for the privilege of signing him.</p>
<p>Knowing that they will have to pay this tax on Type A free agents, teams are going to bid less than they would have otherwise.</p>
<p>While this isn&#8217;t such a big deal with the mega-free agents, the effect is substantial on less valuable players, for whom $3 million may represent a substantial portion of their pay.  For these players, the Type A tag became a sort of scarlet letter that deterred teams from signing them. </p>
<p>Part of the problem with the free-agent compensation system as it stands now is that the rankings it produces aren&#8217;t really very accurate.</p>
<p>The problem is particularly acute among middle relievers, whom Elias rates disproportionately highly. The reason is that players are ranked within various positional groups, and relief pitchers have their own group. The problem with this, of course, is that unlike, say, shortstops or first basemen, most relief pitchers have relatively low value. Of relievers, only a small fraction are high-impact players such as stud closers. Therefore, when Elias rates the top 20 percent of relievers as Type A free agents, it ends up including some very mediocre pitchers. As a result, 10 out of the 23 Type A free agents are relievers, including immortals such as Oliver and Hawkins. Such players have no business being classified in the same category as Holliday or Bay, and the fact that they&#8217;re overrated by the rankings can really hurt them. Due to the draft picks that must be forfeited to sign these players, many middle relievers see their salary and negotiating power diminished when saddled with the Type A tag. </p>
<p></em><br />
<em>While the system is really broken for relief pitchers, it&#8217;s not so hot for other players, either. For one, <strong>center fielders are ranked in the same group as designated hitters, </strong></em>(I had no idea), <em><strong>meaning that center fielders get no credit for playing one of the toughest positions on the diamond. </strong>Other oddities include <strong>using very few statistics to rate each player, and including antiquated stats such as fielding percentage (even for catchers!) and both wins and winning percentage for starting pitchers. </strong>All of these oddities add up to provide a very uneven system of ranking players, which is a shame considering that a player&#8217;s Type A designation can have a substantial impact on his marketability.<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>In its current form, the system does little to ensure competitive balance, since the effective tax does little to deter teams from signing mega-stars such as Teixeira but does have an effect on the marketability and earning power of journeyman free agents who have the misfortune to be labeled Type A free agents. </p>
<p></em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bski</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-23584</link>
		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-23584</guid>
		<description>Ken,


&lt;em&gt;&quot;I trust that when this tournament is over, Pete will run the winner against one of the A’s great squads in a City Series.&quot;
&lt;/em&gt;


I will carry my passion for and devotion to the Phils all the way to my grave (and beyond if I can), however, I don&#039;t think it would turn out to be much of a series.  From what I have read over the years, I fear that even the worst of their best would be better than the best of our best.



The A&#039;s had two dynastic runs in their history.  The first was in the 1910s, when they won the World Series in 1910, 1911, and 1913, and  won the AL pennant in 1914.   The second was when they won the World Series in 1929 (with a team many believe belongs in the discussion of The Greatest Team of All Time) and 1930, and won the AL pennant in 1931.


I believe their powerhouse teams, loaded with all-time players, and with Connie Mack at the helm would make quick work of most anything we could put up against them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I trust that when this tournament is over, Pete will run the winner against one of the A’s great squads in a City Series.&#8221;<br />
</em></p>
<p>I will carry my passion for and devotion to the Phils all the way to my grave (and beyond if I can), however, I don&#8217;t think it would turn out to be much of a series.  From what I have read over the years, I fear that even the worst of their best would be better than the best of our best.</p>
<p>The A&#8217;s had two dynastic runs in their history.  The first was in the 1910s, when they won the World Series in 1910, 1911, and 1913, and  won the AL pennant in 1914.   The second was when they won the World Series in 1929 (with a team many believe belongs in the discussion of The Greatest Team of All Time) and 1930, and won the AL pennant in 1931.</p>
<p>I believe their powerhouse teams, loaded with all-time players, and with Connie Mack at the helm would make quick work of most anything we could put up against them. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ken Bland</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-23574</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-23574</guid>
		<description>Why did the Phillies eliminate Alexander and Chuck Klein’s retired plaques from CBP? They didn’t have numbers, but they had the old-school P’s.
I worked there and I never got an answer to this.&gt;&gt;

Pete,

If you worked there and didn&#039;t get a answer, I don&#039;t know that this will help, but I e mailed Bill Conlin the question and all I know for sure is he&#039;s been real good about e mailing back in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did the Phillies eliminate Alexander and Chuck Klein’s retired plaques from CBP? They didn’t have numbers, but they had the old-school P’s.<br />
I worked there and I never got an answer to this.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Pete,</p>
<p>If you worked there and didn&#8217;t get a answer, I don&#8217;t know that this will help, but I e mailed Bill Conlin the question and all I know for sure is he&#8217;s been real good about e mailing back in the past.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ken Bland</title>
		<link>http://www.reclinergm.com/who-is-the-best-phillies-team-ever-an-offseason-tournament/#comment-23569</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=8077#comment-23569</guid>
		<description>Downtown Ollie Brown&gt;&gt;

I believe we subscribe to the same childhood memories.  It took me about a half hour after I scribbled that note to think of who I at least thought it was, and I still haven&#039;t looked it up, but I&#039;m on board with Ollie.

Far as Pete thinking the 1915 club may shock us, that&#039;s quite possible.  I know this tourney is all in fun, and darn close to entirely based on stats, and some of the numbers back then were phenominal, so its possible.  And if they win, I don&#039;t see a problem with going to their graves and throwing flowers, but they had the prehistoric edge of light travel, all white players, daylight baseball and lesser training facilities.  In reality, they were probably inferior, but more power to em if they win.

For what it&#039;s worth, and he had to be pressed for an answer, last year, Dallas Green concluded that the 08 team would have beat the 80 team because of a slightly better bullpen.

I trust that when this tournament is over, Pete will run the winner against one of the A&#039;s great squads in a City Series.  

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downtown Ollie Brown&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I believe we subscribe to the same childhood memories.  It took me about a half hour after I scribbled that note to think of who I at least thought it was, and I still haven&#8217;t looked it up, but I&#8217;m on board with Ollie.</p>
<p>Far as Pete thinking the 1915 club may shock us, that&#8217;s quite possible.  I know this tourney is all in fun, and darn close to entirely based on stats, and some of the numbers back then were phenominal, so its possible.  And if they win, I don&#8217;t see a problem with going to their graves and throwing flowers, but they had the prehistoric edge of light travel, all white players, daylight baseball and lesser training facilities.  In reality, they were probably inferior, but more power to em if they win.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, and he had to be pressed for an answer, last year, Dallas Green concluded that the 08 team would have beat the 80 team because of a slightly better bullpen.</p>
<p>I trust that when this tournament is over, Pete will run the winner against one of the A&#8217;s great squads in a City Series. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
