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		<title>By: Chris McC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bski,  I can understand thinking about taking Lidge out but I couldn&#039;t say that anyone else in the bullpen would have been a markedly better option.  The real problem was Lidge and Ruiz&#039; decision to stay away from the slider with Damon on third.  In that instance you have to trust your pitcher&#039;s best pitch and his catcher&#039;s ability to get in front of it.  In the same breath, (and I&#039;ve said this since late Sept.) if we find ourselves up by 2 in the 9th I think Lidge has got to be your guy again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bski,  I can understand thinking about taking Lidge out but I couldn&#8217;t say that anyone else in the bullpen would have been a markedly better option.  The real problem was Lidge and Ruiz&#8217; decision to stay away from the slider with Damon on third.  In that instance you have to trust your pitcher&#8217;s best pitch and his catcher&#8217;s ability to get in front of it.  In the same breath, (and I&#8217;ve said this since late Sept.) if we find ourselves up by 2 in the 9th I think Lidge has got to be your guy again.</p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,


Removing Lidge never occured to you?  Was it just me then?  Did anyone else think that Charlie should have pulled him at any point?


Honestly, after my initial anger at Lidge for giving up the go-ahead run &lt;strong&gt;on a fastball&lt;/strong&gt; subsided, I immediately wanted Charlie to yank Lidge.  I was very concerned that he was losing it when he hit Tex, but after the double I really felt like he had lost his focus and/or confidence and we were in danger of having the game get away from us.  I was thinking to bring Eyre in to get Posada and keep it a 1-run game, giving us a shot against Rivera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>Removing Lidge never occured to you?  Was it just me then?  Did anyone else think that Charlie should have pulled him at any point?</p>
<p>Honestly, after my initial anger at Lidge for giving up the go-ahead run <strong>on a fastball</strong> subsided, I immediately wanted Charlie to yank Lidge.  I was very concerned that he was losing it when he hit Tex, but after the double I really felt like he had lost his focus and/or confidence and we were in danger of having the game get away from us.  I was thinking to bring Eyre in to get Posada and keep it a 1-run game, giving us a shot against Rivera.</p>
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		<title>By: jjg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jjg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankees are relative graybeards in contrast to &quot;junior&quot; Phils.  Most of Yanks KEY players are in mid-to-upper thirty range:  A-Rod (&quot;the baby&quot;), 34; Jeter, 35; Matsui, 35; Damon, 36 (in 3 days); Pettitte, 37; Posada; 38; Rivera, 40 (in 27 days).  These guys have paid their dues and for the most part play the game of baseball with smarts and quiet determination.  Phils are a more emotional bunch and, though defending Champions, still show a lack of certain lack of maturity in their approach ... last season&#039;s accomplishment had a bit of a magic carpet ride quality; things lined up well and the moment was seized, admirably.  In my opinion, this Series is demonstrating the power of poise during critical moments (gained from long experience) and the application of sound fundamentals, timely hitting and pitching.  Yankees are the better team so far.  Their advantage has been earned, not delivered. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankees are relative graybeards in contrast to &#8220;junior&#8221; Phils.  Most of Yanks KEY players are in mid-to-upper thirty range:  A-Rod (&#8220;the baby&#8221;), 34; Jeter, 35; Matsui, 35; Damon, 36 (in 3 days); Pettitte, 37; Posada; 38; Rivera, 40 (in 27 days).  These guys have paid their dues and for the most part play the game of baseball with smarts and quiet determination.  Phils are a more emotional bunch and, though defending Champions, still show a lack of certain lack of maturity in their approach &#8230; last season&#8217;s accomplishment had a bit of a magic carpet ride quality; things lined up well and the moment was seized, admirably.  In my opinion, this Series is demonstrating the power of poise during critical moments (gained from long experience) and the application of sound fundamentals, timely hitting and pitching.  Yankees are the better team so far.  Their advantage has been earned, not delivered. </p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<dc:creator>bski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pg,



When Lidge got to 1-2 on Damon, I was confident too.  I found this quote from Damon in &lt;a title=&quot;Jayson Stark&#039;s article&quot; href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&amp;id=4615712&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jayson Stark&#039;s article&lt;/a&gt; on game 4:



&lt;em&gt;&quot;&lt;strong&gt;I kept chasing that slider down&lt;/strong&gt;, and I was able to force it to 3-2, and then &lt;strong&gt;I kept sitting slider, and he kept throwing the fastball&lt;/strong&gt;. They really don&#039;t teach you to do it that way. They normally always tell you to look fastball because if you sit slider, it would be too tough to catch up to a fastball. But &lt;strong&gt;I felt like his slider made me look silly on a couple pitches.&lt;/strong&gt; So I kept sitting slider and just reacted to the fastball.&quot; 



&lt;/em&gt;Sounds to me like Damon was as surprised as I was to see all those fastballs.  Now, it&#039;s entirely possible that, since he was sitting on it,  he would have gotten a hit had Lidge thrown him a slider.  Were I Lidge, I&#039;d certainly had taken my chances though.  



First, Damon admits, and we saw, that he chased the slider.  Second, Matsui and Jeter had done it before him, so Lidge had to know he was throwing it well and having success with the pitch.   Third, Damon fouled off two consecutive fastballs and looked, at least to me, like he was getting on the pitch.  Just baffling to me that he would get away from his slider and stay away from it for the rest of the inning, especially since he was getting hurt on his fastball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pg,</p>
<p>When Lidge got to 1-2 on Damon, I was confident too.  I found this quote from Damon in <a title="Jayson Stark's article" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&amp;id=4615712" rel="nofollow">Jayson Stark&#8217;s article</a> on game 4:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;<strong>I kept chasing that slider down</strong>, and I was able to force it to 3-2, and then <strong>I kept sitting slider, and he kept throwing the fastball</strong>. They really don&#8217;t teach you to do it that way. They normally always tell you to look fastball because if you sit slider, it would be too tough to catch up to a fastball. But <strong>I felt like his slider made me look silly on a couple pitches.</strong> So I kept sitting slider and just reacted to the fastball.&#8221; </p>
<p></em>Sounds to me like Damon was as surprised as I was to see all those fastballs.  Now, it&#8217;s entirely possible that, since he was sitting on it,  he would have gotten a hit had Lidge thrown him a slider.  Were I Lidge, I&#8217;d certainly had taken my chances though.  </p>
<p>First, Damon admits, and we saw, that he chased the slider.  Second, Matsui and Jeter had done it before him, so Lidge had to know he was throwing it well and having success with the pitch.   Third, Damon fouled off two consecutive fastballs and looked, at least to me, like he was getting on the pitch.  Just baffling to me that he would get away from his slider and stay away from it for the rest of the inning, especially since he was getting hurt on his fastball.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people need to get off Hamels back.  I think he gets a lifetime pass for his performance last year, as long as he gives 100%.  And I think the effort is there.  I think he is genuinely frustrated.  Do people realize we probably have no titles without him?  we are just seeing a natural progression for a young pitcher.  Stats have shown that he was due for a down year after the big hike in his innings last year.  It just so happens the Phils were so good they still made and excelled in the playoffs, even without him, and he is now exposed a bit under the big lights.  He adds one more pitch - and he will add that curve - and he will be dominating again.  Philly needs to relax and give him time.  He deserves it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people need to get off Hamels back.  I think he gets a lifetime pass for his performance last year, as long as he gives 100%.  And I think the effort is there.  I think he is genuinely frustrated.  Do people realize we probably have no titles without him?  we are just seeing a natural progression for a young pitcher.  Stats have shown that he was due for a down year after the big hike in his innings last year.  It just so happens the Phils were so good they still made and excelled in the playoffs, even without him, and he is now exposed a bit under the big lights.  He adds one more pitch &#8211; and he will add that curve &#8211; and he will be dominating again.  Philly needs to relax and give him time.  He deserves it. </p>
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		<title>By: phillyfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking ahead, the biggest issue the Phils face is what to do with Rollins in this lineup.   He is a leadoff hitter that doesn&#039;t get on base.  It would be nice to bring in a real leadoff hitter.  The PROBLEM though is Rollins is a spotlight kind of guy and he isn&#039;t that old.  He has had some clutch hits and I think he sees himself as a out-front leader.  Dropping him to the 7th hole would be a big shot to his ego and he is the only player on the team that may mess with the chemistry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking ahead, the biggest issue the Phils face is what to do with Rollins in this lineup.   He is a leadoff hitter that doesn&#8217;t get on base.  It would be nice to bring in a real leadoff hitter.  The PROBLEM though is Rollins is a spotlight kind of guy and he isn&#8217;t that old.  He has had some clutch hits and I think he sees himself as a out-front leader.  Dropping him to the 7th hole would be a big shot to his ego and he is the only player on the team that may mess with the chemistry.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding coming back from a 3-1 defecit discussion.  If the yanks are a a better team than the phils, it is by a very slim margin. Basically the 36th inning they have played.  Otherwise it is 2-2.  I still can only find two regular players, Arod and Jeter I would take over out regulars from an offense standpoint.  While Howard has struggled, so has Texeira.  Pitching is where NY gets the edge but it isn&#039;t huge.  CC has not shut down the Phils.  Yanks middle relief is equally shakey, and Rivera was there to be had in Game 2.  We are 2-3 clutch hits from being up 3-1.   I am convinced the phils are just not playing to their potential and the flu may have something to do with it.  It would really be nice if they could extend this to at least 6 games so I won&#039;t have to watch the Yankees celebrate on our field.  Finally, is enyone else tired of watching Jeter hog the camera with his cheering up on the front step every night.  He doesn&#039;t miss a chance to get on-camera.  Worse than A-rod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding coming back from a 3-1 defecit discussion.  If the yanks are a a better team than the phils, it is by a very slim margin. Basically the 36th inning they have played.  Otherwise it is 2-2.  I still can only find two regular players, Arod and Jeter I would take over out regulars from an offense standpoint.  While Howard has struggled, so has Texeira.  Pitching is where NY gets the edge but it isn&#8217;t huge.  CC has not shut down the Phils.  Yanks middle relief is equally shakey, and Rivera was there to be had in Game 2.  We are 2-3 clutch hits from being up 3-1.   I am convinced the phils are just not playing to their potential and the flu may have something to do with it.  It would really be nice if they could extend this to at least 6 games so I won&#8217;t have to watch the Yankees celebrate on our field.  Finally, is enyone else tired of watching Jeter hog the camera with his cheering up on the front step every night.  He doesn&#8217;t miss a chance to get on-camera.  Worse than A-rod.</p>
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		<title>By: pg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree bski.  There was very little doubt in my mind that the Phills would get a run even if the Yanks threw Rivera out there.  You can play small ball against Mo, because he does not hold runners on, and he pitches to contact.  I was even more confident when Lidge was 1-2 on Damon.  Very tough to stomach.
 
 
However, they have been written off - and at least for tonight, they can play lose in front of their home crowd with their ace on the mound.  I am at least going to try and enjoy the game tonight.  I hope they do too, certainly play better when they are having fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree bski.  There was very little doubt in my mind that the Phills would get a run even if the Yanks threw Rivera out there.  You can play small ball against Mo, because he does not hold runners on, and he pitches to contact.  I was even more confident when Lidge was 1-2 on Damon.  Very tough to stomach.<br />
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However, they have been written off &#8211; and at least for tonight, they can play lose in front of their home crowd with their ace on the mound.  I am at least going to try and enjoy the game tonight.  I hope they do too, certainly play better when they are having fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Bland</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
I know you weren&#039;t comparing the 79 Bucs-O&#039;s or Stanhouse-Rivera.  I took the liberty of extending to that.  Pulled out of context, it does make a strong point in favor of the Yanks in a 3-1 lead against that O&#039;s club.

Here&#039;s my take on the 3-1 thing.  Admittedly, it&#039;s rare.  And irrelavant here from this standpoint.  I&#039;d guess that at least half the time its been done, or 2-0 for that matter, the better team, or favorite just got off to bad starts, or the underdog played over their heads.  Say what you want about looking back as opposed to forward, but examples off the top of my head that wound up the better team winning include the 78 Yanks over LA (2 zip). 79 Bucs over O&#039;s (3-1).  I didn&#039;t follow the 1958 Series, but the Yanks came back from 3-1 to deny the Braves a 2nd straight World&#039;s title, and that was in the middle of great Yankee teams.  I say its irrelavant here because the Phils have some let&#039;s call them non strengths and as long as they keep enabling the Yanks to just use their best pitchers, this wouldn&#039;t be a case of the better team coming back.  I wll add that with no disrespect to Detroit or Kansas City, they came back in 68 and 85 (Denkinger series) and were not as good as the Cardinals who fell victim both times.  Nor were the Red Sox a better team than the Yanks in 04.  Lots of subjective opinions in there, take them for what they are worth.

On Bski&#039;s wanting Lidge out after the Alex double.  Funny how perception is on that.  Silly as it sounds, that never ever occurred to me.  I was just thinking damage control assuming Lidge would continue on.   That&#039;d be a very fair question for Charlie.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
I know you weren&#8217;t comparing the 79 Bucs-O&#8217;s or Stanhouse-Rivera.  I took the liberty of extending to that.  Pulled out of context, it does make a strong point in favor of the Yanks in a 3-1 lead against that O&#8217;s club.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my take on the 3-1 thing.  Admittedly, it&#8217;s rare.  And irrelavant here from this standpoint.  I&#8217;d guess that at least half the time its been done, or 2-0 for that matter, the better team, or favorite just got off to bad starts, or the underdog played over their heads.  Say what you want about looking back as opposed to forward, but examples off the top of my head that wound up the better team winning include the 78 Yanks over LA (2 zip). 79 Bucs over O&#8217;s (3-1).  I didn&#8217;t follow the 1958 Series, but the Yanks came back from 3-1 to deny the Braves a 2nd straight World&#8217;s title, and that was in the middle of great Yankee teams.  I say its irrelavant here because the Phils have some let&#8217;s call them non strengths and as long as they keep enabling the Yanks to just use their best pitchers, this wouldn&#8217;t be a case of the better team coming back.  I wll add that with no disrespect to Detroit or Kansas City, they came back in 68 and 85 (Denkinger series) and were not as good as the Cardinals who fell victim both times.  Nor were the Red Sox a better team than the Yanks in 04.  Lots of subjective opinions in there, take them for what they are worth.</p>
<p>On Bski&#8217;s wanting Lidge out after the Alex double.  Funny how perception is on that.  Silly as it sounds, that never ever occurred to me.  I was just thinking damage control assuming Lidge would continue on.   That&#8217;d be a very fair question for Charlie.</p>
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		<title>By: bski</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our resilience and one-game-at-a-time focus will really be put to the test now, but you&#039;re right, Chris, having Lee on the mound tonight against a short-rest Burnett will help a lot.  We&#039;ll also get a short-rest Pettitte in game 6 and a double-short-rest Sabathia in game 7, so this is doable. 


Last night was really a rip-your-heart-out loss though.  I keep going over it.  The&lt;strong&gt; third&lt;/strong&gt; thing I thought after Feliz hit the homerun to tie it--------the first was I can&#039;t believe he did it, the second was why would Chamberlain throw him a fastball--------was that the top of our order would now get a shot to win it in the bottom of the 9th against everyone else in the Yankees pen and avoid Rivera.  Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our resilience and one-game-at-a-time focus will really be put to the test now, but you&#8217;re right, Chris, having Lee on the mound tonight against a short-rest Burnett will help a lot.  We&#8217;ll also get a short-rest Pettitte in game 6 and a double-short-rest Sabathia in game 7, so this is doable. </p>
<p>Last night was really a rip-your-heart-out loss though.  I keep going over it.  The<strong> third</strong> thing I thought after Feliz hit the homerun to tie it&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;the first was I can&#8217;t believe he did it, the second was why would Chamberlain throw him a fastball&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;was that the top of our order would now get a shot to win it in the bottom of the 9th against everyone else in the Yankees pen and avoid Rivera.  Ugh.</p>
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