Comments on: Would you make this trade for Roy Halladay? http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/ Philly sports blog for diehard Sixers & Phillies fans Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:21:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jeff http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18646 Jeff Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:39:13 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18646 Bert, Like so many "Geniuses" before you, I will refer you to the words of the Toronto GM who clearly stated that they wasnted young, CHEAP prospetct in a trade for halladay. While you, I and everyone else may find this strange, that is what the seller wants.  Deal with it. No one on the current 25 man roster, with the possible exception of Happ, is going to be involved in this trade, if it happens Bert,
Like so many “Geniuses” before you, I will refer you to the words of the Toronto GM who clearly stated that they wasnted young, CHEAP prospetct in a trade for halladay. While you, I and everyone else may find this strange, that is what the seller wants.  Deal with it. No one on the current 25 man roster, with the possible exception of Happ, is going to be involved in this trade, if it happens

]]> By: bert Vanular http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18635 bert Vanular Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:23:33 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18635 Its not enough  for the best pitche rin baseball. Prospects are only prospects  ..not worth anything untill they actually prove their value. Throw in chase Utley and Blue jays might look at it Its not enough  for the best pitche rin baseball. Prospects are only prospects  ..not worth anything untill they actually prove their value. Throw in chase Utley and Blue jays might look at it

]]> By: Will a Halladay trade be worth it? A historical look at trades for Aces http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18558 Will a Halladay trade be worth it? A historical look at trades for Aces Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:09:50 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18558 [...] to the poll we ran, 45% of you would quite literally trade the farm system for Roy Halladay, while 55% would not. The [...] [...] to the poll we ran, 45% of you would quite literally trade the farm system for Roy Halladay, while 55% would not. The [...]

]]> By: jjg http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18510 jjg Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:57:02 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18510 Yes.  <em>A bird to hand an immaculate ball to is worth 5 players in the bush leagues.</em>  What percentage of that package will match the best projections of their talents or Halladay's supreme ML production?  Odds are against the rosy pictures of  minor leaguers.  The competitive road is hard, life happens and the limitations are limitless regarding maxing out.  Go for the Blue Jay while championships are in season.     Yes.  A bird to hand an immaculate ball to is worth 5 players in the bush leagues.  What percentage of that package will match the best projections of their talents or Halladay’s supreme ML production?  Odds are against the rosy pictures of  minor leaguers.  The competitive road is hard, life happens and the limitations are limitless regarding maxing out.  Go for the Blue Jay while championships are in season.    

]]> By: jurnee16 http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18508 jurnee16 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:48:57 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18508 Rob Charry just said on WIP that the Phils designated Chris Coste for assignment and the Astros claimed him off waivers...this pisses me off because I loved Coste thought he was just as effective at the plate as either Bako or Mayberry.... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2009449233_apbbnastroscosteclaimed.html Rob Charry just said on WIP that the Phils designated Chris Coste for assignment and the Astros claimed him off waivers…this pisses me off because I loved Coste thought he was just as effective at the plate as either Bako or Mayberry….

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2009449233_apbbnastroscosteclaimed.html

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18507 Pete Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:38:53 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18507 for some reason I thought Padilla was more highly thought of, but looking back at articles, it seems people thought he would be a closer for us. <div></div> <div>Jayson Werth is an all-star! Replacing Beltran, and meaning our <strong>entire outfield </strong>is in the all-star game!</div> for some reason I thought Padilla was more highly thought of, but looking back at articles, it seems people thought he would be a closer for us.

Jayson Werth is an all-star! Replacing Beltran, and meaning our entire outfield is in the all-star game!
]]> By: Jeff S. http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18506 Jeff S. Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:21:40 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18506 No. No.  Padilla was never considered a prospect of Drabek's caliber.  Far from it.  In fact, I remember at the time that some thought Figueroa to be the better prospect. If the deal is to be made, the Phillies almost certainly will have to give up two of the three:  Drabek and Taylor or Brown.  Even if Happ is included, I can't see Toronto asking for less.  If I knew the Phillies could sign Halladay to a two-year extension, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with the deal.  Otherwise,  I just don't know.  Drabek is the one I don't want to give up.  I could live with anyone else. No. No.  Padilla was never considered a prospect of Drabek’s caliber.  Far from it.  In fact, I remember at the time that some thought Figueroa to be the better prospect.

If the deal is to be made, the Phillies almost certainly will have to give up two of the three:  Drabek and Taylor or Brown.  Even if Happ is included, I can’t see Toronto asking for less.  If I knew the Phillies could sign Halladay to a two-year extension, I’d feel a lot more comfortable with the deal.  Otherwise,  I just don’t know.  Drabek is the one I don’t want to give up.  I could live with anyone else.

]]> By: Pete http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18505 Pete Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:10:50 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18505 drolz - <div></div> <div>funny you bring that up - I'm doing a post on pretty much exactly what you just said.... looking at the track record of these kinds of deals. It's very hit or miss. should be up this weekend or early next week.</div> <div></div> <div>I believe Padilla was considered a prospect of Drabek caliber.</div> drolz -

funny you bring that up – I’m doing a post on pretty much exactly what you just said…. looking at the track record of these kinds of deals. It’s very hit or miss. should be up this weekend or early next week.
I believe Padilla was considered a prospect of Drabek caliber.
]]> By: Drolz http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18502 Drolz Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:32:51 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18502 "Trepidation" is the right word. Of our three most exciting prospects (obviously, Drabek, Taylor and Brown) I'd reluctantly be willing to create a package around one of them. If Toronto insisted on at least two of them, I'd say thanks but no thanks. Another thing is, I'm trying to find precedents where deals like this actually worked. Most recently we have CC Sabathia making a pit stop in Milwaukee and Johan Santana toiling in New York. And over the years the Yankees have acquired some great pitching but it's been a while since they won a World Series. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only recent example I can think of where a huge trade for an ace paid off was when Arizona got Schilling from us. Schilling teamed up with Randy Johnson to win a championship (hmmm, tempting to think that Halladay and Hamels could pull off the same thing). But the difference is, Arizona didn't give us anyone that was on the level of a Drabek, Taylor, or Brown. They sent us Omar Daal, Vicente Padilla, Nelson Figuroa and Travesty. Uh, Travis Lee. I still say go for it (within reason) with Halladay. At the same time it would be a deal where I'd second-guess it over and over until it resulted in another championship or two. I'm sure the next few weeks will be Amaro on Advil while he tries to sort this out :) “Trepidation” is the right word. Of our three most exciting prospects (obviously, Drabek, Taylor and Brown) I’d reluctantly be willing to create a package around one of them. If Toronto insisted on at least two of them, I’d say thanks but no thanks.

Another thing is, I’m trying to find precedents where deals like this actually worked. Most recently we have CC Sabathia making a pit stop in Milwaukee and Johan Santana toiling in New York. And over the years the Yankees have acquired some great pitching but it’s been a while since they won a World Series.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only recent example I can think of where a huge trade for an ace paid off was when Arizona got Schilling from us. Schilling teamed up with Randy Johnson to win a championship (hmmm, tempting to think that Halladay and Hamels could pull off the same thing). But the difference is, Arizona didn’t give us anyone that was on the level of a Drabek, Taylor, or Brown. They sent us Omar Daal, Vicente Padilla, Nelson Figuroa and Travesty. Uh, Travis Lee.

I still say go for it (within reason) with Halladay. At the same time it would be a deal where I’d second-guess it over and over until it resulted in another championship or two. I’m sure the next few weeks will be Amaro on Advil while he tries to sort this out :)

]]> By: Jeff http://www.reclinergm.com/would-you-make-this-trade-for-roy-halladay/#comment-18493 Jeff Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:21:05 +0000 http://www.reclinergm.com/?p=6401#comment-18493 Yeah, I'd make it.  With some trepidation.  At least the get to keep Taylor. Yeah, I’d make it.  With some trepidation.  At least the get to keep Taylor.

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